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Sorry forgot to list pioneer ld s1,s2

Cld s9,99, r7g, 79, dvl919e,919,909,panasonic lx900u,1000u also look nice among ld players. These players are also the ones with very good to excellent picture quality along with the above list. Prices will vary from $200 to $1000 on most of them however hld x9,x0 will start at $2000 to $6000.

admin is selling his 925 located in Paris. Best Pal/NTSC player should be around 200 euros. If you are looking to get US players and can't find localy. It would make sense to buy a Japanese player from Japan since shipping would be equal to from USA anyway.
I am interested in a PAL player. CLD-2950 or CLD-D925 or DVL-919E. If you have or find one of these and want a US player instead. I have a Panasonic LX-1000u with remote control. its picture is a highly regarded(comperable to my McIntosh/CLD-97) and built like tank construction(which should survice international shipping). I am willing to exchange this player for a PAL player.

What is your purpose here nairau?

substance wrote:

What is your purpose here nairau?

What's anybody's purpose, man? :think:

That thread is 2 pages long most people expressed 1000u has similar picture to 900u but better built. Disclord was the only one who disliked it. That is disclords opinion I respect. Kbahr said he would take 1000u over 900u. He is as reputable as disclord in ld world. My personal opinion is it has more noise than cld-97(i have 2) but less noise than 704 or 99. It is sharper than 97,704 but softer than 99.
Can anyone say dvl-919e,cld-2950,d925 better ntsc players than panasonic 1000u? If d925 is on par with 604, panny 1000u should be a better player by a margin. I think it is a fair exchange in every way.
I also dont agree with the need for built in noise reduction. Any dnr except s9,x9,x0 is usuless and obsolete by todays standarts. Benefits are far less than lost detail( and you dont have much on ld)

substance wrote:

Ok I plugged it in for the first time and watched parts of Conan The Barbarian and Ace Ventura Pet Detective. The picture is very sharp maybe a bit sharper than my CLD97 clone but definitely has higher noise. I dont know how this player beat CLD97 back in the day(Runco LJR version) I think that magazine was biased because of the THX cert on the Runco. It is also very light comparing to a high end LD player(older elites)

I agree with your results. The Runco/Panasonic players do have a little sharper picture than the CLD-97 but the 97 does have lower visual noise. Which player you prefers depends on if you prefer a sharper picture or lower background noise. The MSB/Runco units really just specialized in Audio mods and the video AGC. Other than video AGC the video signal is the same as the LX-900U.

I have seen the inside of both the 900U and 1000U. The 1000U is has a far better power supply, waiting to see a good working 1000U but after seeing the insides I'd rather own the 1000U.

Pioneer doesn't have any THX units as they never bother to submit a unit for cert.

I found the LX-900U a little quieter for lumance noise but the 703/704 better on chroma noise. But the Video AGC in the LX-900U was the killer for me. For some reason Panasonic added AGC to the video and if you watch dark scenes you will fine that the 900U raises the black level up and you do not get the dark scene the movie was meant to have. It does not have the full video range due to the AGC operation. MSB corrected this circuit in their version of the 900U and MSB modified the Runco to correct for this.
The LX-900U was the best Panasonic I've seen but no parts support for years and harder to work on. I do prefer my CLD-97.

Kurtis

Good job naiaru. Are you interested in my 1000u? Or you have a Pal player to offer? If your answer is no. You know what I will say next.

You already said on the copied thread that I should buy a dvd recorder to upscale my lds opposed crystalio Ii or my dvdo. I didnt say anything.
Anyways. What do you suggest I should offer for a d925? My rf modded 97 or mcintosh? Perhaps I should throw in my crystalio video processor? You think then it will be fair deal?

substance wrote:

I already own a dvdo vp30. There is a person I know he wants to sell his c2 for $1000. He says he tried many vps and c2 is the best for ld. My ld player is cld 97. I also watch fios sd and hd programing and occasionaly hd internet streaming.
My dvdo is superb with deinterlacing scaling sd but poor comb filter and doesnt scale 1080i to 1080p properly.it also doesnt have any noise reduction(i dont iknow if this helps lds).
Please help i must decide soon

You can fix the comb filter problem for cheaper than 1000 dollars. Just about any old DVD recorder I've tried has had a better comb filter than the one in my DVDO. Also, nowadays, noise reduction tends to be mosquito noise reduction, which LD doesn't suffer from (because it's uncompressed) and it just ends up blurring the image.

Author:	kris [ 26 Jun 2012, 22:53 ]
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Getting a player and making up your mind comes down to what? How much to spend on a player?

Author:	laserdisc_fan [ 26 Jun 2012, 23:27 ]
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There is a lot of good advice on this forum - I wish it had existed BEFORE I bought my first player because I made a big mistake buying a Sony!! With no one else to refer to I based my decision on other Sony appliances I had in my house (TV, DVD recorder, VCR etc) which were all great....got it wrong about their laserdisc player though as it was rubbish (Sony MDP-850D). Price certainly was a factor starting out too...I wanted to be able to play some discs I had bought but didn't want to shell out the earth. I never thought I would buy so many discs. Little did I know the cost of a player was the least of my concerns - the discs will bleed you dry after you've been collecting them non-stop for 6 years! Only saving grace is that it is small amount regularly - not like putting a big down payment on your first house or buying a car outright etc. Laserdisc is something you can start relatively cheaply and still enjoy but it can get expensive if you want to collect the rarest discs and best hardware.

Author:	johan184 [ 26 Jun 2012, 23:54 ]
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mayby you could buy a player from france, they got loads for sale on http://www.leboncoin.fr/ there is also a french forum were they sell alot of players, dont know any link but someone here prob. got it. 100-200 euros shoudl get you an decent player. does the look mather ? becouse if it does you are pretty much limited to a dvl-919, 909 or any usa elite model, if you ask me the rest looks like crap =)

Author:	substance [ 27 Jun 2012, 01:16 ]
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For the looks,these are the most beautiful av gear to look at Theta data, voyager Mcintosh mld 7020, pioneer cld 95,97 Runco ljr, Msb players Pioneer hld x0,x9 Ead players

Author:	substance [ 27 Jun 2012, 01:22 ]
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Sorry forgot to list pioneer ld s1,s2 Cld s9,99, r7g, 79, dvl919e,919,909,panasonic lx900u,1000u also look nice among ld players. These players are also the ones with very good to excellent picture quality along with the above list. Prices will vary from $200 to $1000 on most of them however hld x9,x0 will start at $2000 to $6000.

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Author:	johan184 [ 27 Jun 2012, 13:00 ]
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substance wrote: Sorry forgot to list pioneer ld s1,s2 Cld s9,99, r7g, 79, dvl919e,919,909,panasonic lx900u,1000u also look nice among ld players. These players are also the ones with very good to excellent picture quality along with the above list. Prices will vary from $200 to $1000 on most of them however hld x9,x0 will start at $2000 to $6000. the Mcintosh is awsome looking =) but we dont know if he actually want looks or quality =) But like I said if you can buy from france you can get a good deal. I just asumed that you atleast speak french since you are from belgium =)

Author:	substance [ 27 Jun 2012, 16:41 ]
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admin is selling his 925 located in Paris. Best Pal/NTSC player should be around 200 euros. If you are looking to get US players and can't find localy. It would make sense to buy a Japanese player from Japan since shipping would be equal to from USA anyway. I am interested in a PAL player. CLD-2950 or CLD-D925 or DVL-919E. If you have or find one of these and want a US player instead. I have a Panasonic LX-1000u with remote control. its picture is a highly regarded(comperable to my McIntosh/CLD-97) and built like tank construction(which should survice international shipping). I am willing to exchange this player for a PAL player.

Author:	naiaru [ 27 Jun 2012, 21:07 ]
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substance wrote: admin is selling his 925 located in Paris. Best Pal/NTSC player should be around 200 euros. If you are looking to get US players and can't find localy. It would make sense to buy a Japanese player from Japan since shipping would be equal to from USA anyway. I am interested in a PAL player. CLD-2950 or CLD-D925 or DVL-919E. If you have or find one of these and want a US player instead. I have a Panasonic LX-1000u with remote control. its picture is a highly regarded(comperable to my McIntosh/CLD-97) and built like tank construction(which should survice international shipping). I am willing to exchange this player for a PAL player. disclord wrote: substance wrote: Hld-x0.x9 do not play cds either. But this is the top 10 ld player list. I wanted to have a few none pio in the list as they go cheaper and some are just as good. I.e panasonic 900u,1000u are among best player and can be bought for $50-200. Sony mdp-800 in my opinion is just as good as 704 or better. I can't agree that the Panasonic 1000 is a good player. It has horrible CLV tracking, a grainy picture and lots of chroma noise. Plus, it makes drop outs really stand out and has no video noise reduction. It's built well, but that's about it's only good point. It can't even read the TOC on LaserDisc's. I owned 3 of them hoping to get a good one with no luck and The Perfect Vision hated it too. Now, the 900 is a whole other ball game. It's picture is superb, as is it's tracking. The sharpness, chroma noise and saturation are incredible and its Mode 1 digital field noise reduction works wonders on sub par discs with no artifacts visible from the processing. And on A Video Standard it shows a clean 430 or so lines of resolution and a clean 480 vertical lines. via the composite output it's picture looks like a good DVD.

Author:	disclord [ 27 Jun 2012, 21:41 ]
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The Panasonic Prism LX-1000u was a sad machine in that it was beautifully designed and built but had such awful performance, especially on CLV titles, of which about 80% show crosstalk. It had lots of luminance and chroma noise, especially from the Y/C output. I didn't like its analog sound, but it's digital sound was very good since it used one of the better MASH chips. The LX-900 has much better picture and analog sound and the digital sound uses the Super MASH chip that has 8 full MASH D/A converters in it, 4 for Left and 4 for the Right - they are run in a differential mode so when the 4 outputs for each channel are summed together, any even order distortion generated is cancelled out. Panasonic only used that chip in the LX-900 and one of their kilobuck 2 piece audiophile CD players - California Audio Labs used it in their D/A converter but it was too expensive and companies skipped using it. It's too bad the LX-1000 didn't have the sound and picture quality of the 900 or the 900 the build quality of the 1000.

Author:	substance [ 27 Jun 2012, 23:32 ]
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What is your purpose here nairau?

Author:	naiaru [ 28 Jun 2012, 00:10 ]
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substance wrote: What is your purpose here nairau? What's anybody's purpose, man?

Author:	substance [ 28 Jun 2012, 00:20 ]
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whatever, man

Author:	rein-o [ 28 Jun 2012, 00:51 ]
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naiaru wrote: substance wrote: What is your purpose here nairau? What's anybody's purpose, man? i think he was trying to post what was posted in another thread. but i love it

Author:	substance [ 28 Jun 2012, 03:52 ]
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That thread is 2 pages long most people expressed 1000u has similar picture to 900u but better built. Disclord was the only one who disliked it. That is disclords opinion I respect. Kbahr said he would take 1000u over 900u. He is as reputable as disclord in ld world. My personal opinion is it has more noise than cld-97(i have 2) but less noise than 704 or 99. It is sharper than 97,704 but softer than 99. Can anyone say dvl-919e,cld-2950,d925 better ntsc players than panasonic 1000u? If d925 is on par with 604, panny 1000u should be a better player by a margin. I think it is a fair exchange in every way. I also dont agree with the need for built in noise reduction. Any dnr except s9,x9,x0 is usuless and obsolete by todays standarts. Benefits are far less than lost detail( and you dont have much on ld)

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Author:	naiaru [ 28 Jun 2012, 04:42 ]
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substance wrote: That thread is 2 pages long most people expressed 1000u has similar picture to 900u but better built. Disclord was the only one who disliked it. That is disclords opinion I respect. Kbahr said he would take 1000u over 900u. He is as reputable as disclord in ld world. My personal opinion is it has more noise than cld-97(i have 2) but less noise than 704 or 99. It is sharper than 97,704 but softer than 99. Can anyone say dvl-919e,cld-2950,d925 better ntsc players than panasonic 1000u? If d925 is on par with 604, panny 1000u should be a better player by a margin. I think it is a fair exchange in every way. I also dont agree with the need for built in noise reduction. Any dnr except s9,x9,x0 is usuless and obsolete by todays standarts. Benefits are far less than lost detail( and you dont have much on ld) Well this is what you're talking about. krbahr wrote: substance wrote: Ok I plugged it in for the first time and watched parts of Conan The Barbarian and Ace Ventura Pet Detective. The picture is very sharp maybe a bit sharper than my CLD97 clone but definitely has higher noise. I dont know how this player beat CLD97 back in the day(Runco LJR version) I think that magazine was biased because of the THX cert on the Runco. It is also very light comparing to a high end LD player(older elites) I agree with your results. The Runco/Panasonic players do have a little sharper picture than the CLD-97 but the 97 does have lower visual noise. Which player you prefers depends on if you prefer a sharper picture or lower background noise. The MSB/Runco units really just specialized in Audio mods and the video AGC. Other than video AGC the video signal is the same as the LX-900U. I have seen the inside of both the 900U and 1000U. The 1000U is has a far better power supply, waiting to see a good working 1000U but after seeing the insides I'd rather own the 1000U. Pioneer doesn't have any THX units as they never bother to submit a unit for cert. But he also said this krbahr wrote: I found the LX-900U a little quieter for lumance noise but the 703/704 better on chroma noise. But the Video AGC in the LX-900U was the killer for me. For some reason Panasonic added AGC to the video and if you watch dark scenes you will fine that the 900U raises the black level up and you do not get the dark scene the movie was meant to have. It does not have the full video range due to the AGC operation. MSB corrected this circuit in their version of the 900U and MSB modified the Runco to correct for this. The LX-900U was the best Panasonic I've seen but no parts support for years and harder to work on. I do prefer my CLD-97. Kurtis I only quoted disclord earlier (not knowing he'd make his own post later), because if someone bought a 1000u expecting a CLD-97 in performance, they'd be in for a surprise.

Author:	substance [ 28 Jun 2012, 05:15 ]
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Good job naiaru. Are you interested in my 1000u? Or you have a Pal player to offer? If your answer is no. You know what I will say next.

Author:	naiaru [ 28 Jun 2012, 05:23 ]
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substance wrote: Good job naiaru. Are you interested in my 1000u? Or you have a Pal player to offer? If your answer is no. You know what I will say next. ??? I wasn't trying to buy your player. I was saying the player you're trying to sell was being misrepresented to potential buyers. If I came on here, offered a DVD recorder (as a scaler) and claimed it was just like a DVDO Edge, I'd think you'd be in the right to offer a counter-opinion.

Author:	substance [ 28 Jun 2012, 05:35 ]
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You already said on the copied thread that I should buy a dvd recorder to upscale my lds opposed crystalio Ii or my dvdo. I didnt say anything. Anyways. What do you suggest I should offer for a d925? My rf modded 97 or mcintosh? Perhaps I should throw in my crystalio video processor? You think then it will be fair deal?

Author:	naiaru [ 28 Jun 2012, 05:52 ]
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substance wrote: You already said on the copied thread that I should buy a dvd recorder to upscale my lds opposed crystalio Ii or my dvdo. I didnt say anything. Anyways. What do you suggest I should offer for a d925? My rf modded 97 or mcintosh? Perhaps I should throw in my crystalio video processor? You think then it will be fair deal? Well, I'm quite sure that neither of the threads I took quotes from were the "crystalio 2 vs. dvdo vp30 with abt102 deinterlacer for ld?" thread. I never told you to use a DVD recorder over a crystalio II to upscale LD. That'd be crazy. I said you should use a DVD recorder as a comb filter. That isn't upscaling. It's just seperating the luma and chroma. Here's what I actually said. naiaru wrote: substance wrote: I already own a dvdo vp30. There is a person I know he wants to sell his c2 for $1000. He says he tried many vps and c2 is the best for ld. My ld player is cld 97. I also watch fios sd and hd programing and occasionaly hd internet streaming. My dvdo is superb with deinterlacing scaling sd but poor comb filter and doesnt scale 1080i to 1080p properly.it also doesnt have any noise reduction(i dont iknow if this helps lds). Please help i must decide soon You can fix the comb filter problem for cheaper than 1000 dollars. Just about any old DVD recorder I've tried has had a better comb filter than the one in my DVDO. Also, nowadays, noise reduction tends to be mosquito noise reduction, which LD doesn't suffer from (because it's uncompressed) and it just ends up blurring the image. I was only talking about the "LX-1000u is comparable to a CLD-97" claim. I don't know about the rest of your thing.

Author:	disclord [ 28 Jun 2012, 21:51 ]
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substance wrote: That thread is 2 pages long most people expressed 1000u has similar picture to 900u but better built. Disclord was the only one who disliked it. That is disclords opinion I respect. Kbahr said he would take 1000u over 900u. He is as reputable as disclord in ld world. My personal opinion is it has more noise than cld-97(i have 2) but less noise than 704 or 99. It is sharper than 97,704 but softer than 99. Can anyone say dvl-919e,cld-2950,d925 better ntsc players than panasonic 1000u? If d925 is on par with 604, panny 1000u should be a better player by a margin. I think it is a fair exchange in every way. I also dont agree with the need for built in noise reduction. Any dnr except s9,x9,x0 is usuless and obsolete by todays standarts. Benefits are far less than lost detail( and you dont have much on ld) Great post! Regarding DNR, on some discs I prefer the 900's and on others I prefer the DNR built into my Toshiba LCD. The vast majority of discs are run on my 900 with no DNR - Technidisc pressings are the ones that usually need at least some amount to make them acceptable. If I had the money I would buy a CLD-97, but I'm on disability so I had to settle on the best player I could get at the lowest price, which was a Panasonic LX-900. I spent an extra $130 to have Duncan add an AC-3 RF output to it (which works so well and looks so good you'd think the player was built with it) and he also did a full alignment and lubrication and replaced the loading belt. The results were well worth it and the picture is better than ever, plus it can track just about anything. One of my DVL-700's needs work and I'll have no qualms about sending it to Duncan - his work is superb and fairly priced. The LX-900 is also fun to own knowing it was used as the Runco with the only changes being to the digital audio section and an output board that counteracted the AGC - but if you put your televisions dynamic contrast to "on" it does the same thing. The Runco player and THX was a major gimmick. Runco was nice though and last week sent me their last copies of the manual for the Runco LJR I and THX LJR II as well as the printed brochure for the LJR II.