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Aren't the 919 and 909 almost the same thing?

Also, I'd put the Panasonic LX-600 (and the 900) above the 704. I had a AC-3 modded and serviced 703 and my LX-600, that I'm not sure is even in proper working order, beat it. I posted a comparison of the two in this thread.

naiaru wrote:

In my experience the DVL-909 is far better than the DVL-919. It surprised me that Theta used a 919 as the base for the voyager.

Well, I've owned the Elite-ified D704 in the CLD-79.

I can say I preferred the picture from my subsequent players in the R7G and Panasonic LX-900/Runco LJR II.

Though the 79 was much better than the DVL-919 that I owned. And slightly better than the DVL-700 (which has PQ somewhere between the 919 and the 79.)

Never seen any of the other "premium" players in action though, so I can't really comment on them.

Now was it worth it for me to spend the extra to upgrade from the 79 to my current "main" player? I think so. I have a sizeable collection, so it makes sense to get all that I can out of my LDs.

Would I upgrade to one of the "premium" players? At this point, only if I can get it for a bargain (which is why I scour craiglist daily--paid off since I found the LX-900 and Runco LJR II for cheaps on there!) as I'm pretty happy right now with the R7G and LX-900. I'm actually debating on which to use as my main player since my new monitor (Sony WEGA KV-40XBR800) has such a great comb filter.

The LX-900 is truly a great player - I have two now and love them both, especially the one that Duncan serviced and added AC-3 RF to. The EAD TheaterVision is great too, but the 900 is superior in some ways. I'd love to own a Runco, but I've never found one for sale in my area. I've been in contact with the guy from EAD who designed and modded the CLD-99 for the TheaterVision - it's been interesting finding out what they did, which I'll post when I do a full comparison review of the EAD to the LX-900.

Okay, the gifs didn't turn out all that well, but here's a Youtube vid I made with the Snell and Wilcox moving orb test pattern that I captured using that Runco LJR II (part of it uses composite, the other s-video.) In both, the red color bar in the bottom right of the screen turns up violet!

Runco LJR II - Snell&Wilcox Test

Any reason for that happening? I had read previously that the Runco was good for keeping reds from bleeding. Not quite what I expected!

Nah, hue was fine as I capped the S&W pattern with two other players with the same settings.

Author:	mikeystoyz [ 15 Aug 2012, 04:01 ]
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I am wondering if anyone would put a quick list together of the top players. I only have a few that I can comment on but in order of what I have it goes something like this cdl704 DLV 919 Elite 59/Sony AW2 DVL 909 There are others but those are what I have experience with. What is better then the 704 by leaps and bounds so I know what to save for. Thanks

Author:	rein-o [ 15 Aug 2012, 04:15 ]
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i think any player that offers dual side, digital toslink and has S-video are the most important. AC-3 output is second. you can get a great player under 150 that has all of these options and people can enjoy discs. then upgrade to better players if needed in the future.

Author:	naiaru [ 15 Aug 2012, 04:17 ]
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Aren't the 919 and 909 almost the same thing? Also, I'd put the Panasonic LX-600 (and the 900) above the 704. I had a AC-3 modded and serviced 703 and my LX-600, that I'm not sure is even in proper working order, beat it. I posted a comparison of the two in this thread.

Author:	Guest [ 15 Aug 2012, 04:46 ]
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naiaru wrote: Aren't the 919 and 909 almost the same thing? Also, I'd put the Panasonic LX-600 (and the 900) above the 704. I had a AC-3 modded and serviced 703 and my LX-600, that I'm not sure is even in proper working order, beat it. I posted a comparison of the two in this thread. In my experience the DVL-909 is far better than the DVL-919. It surprised me that Theta used a 919 as the base for the voyager.

Author:	naiaru [ 15 Aug 2012, 05:05 ]
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ldservice wrote: naiaru wrote: Aren't the 919 and 909 almost the same thing? Also, I'd put the Panasonic LX-600 (and the 900) above the 704. I had a AC-3 modded and serviced 703 and my LX-600, that I'm not sure is even in proper working order, beat it. I posted a comparison of the two in this thread. In my experience the DVL-909 is far better than the DVL-919. It surprised me that Theta used a 919 as the base for the voyager. Really? I've always been told that the DVLs were all based on Pioneer's 600 series. What player was it really based on?

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Author:	mikeystoyz [ 15 Aug 2012, 05:08 ]
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I own the ones mentioned and they are are pretty good depending on what tv is used.

Author:	jjhunsecker [ 15 Aug 2012, 09:01 ]
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I own 3 players, all hooked up with composite output into a Denon AVR-2312, then HDMI cable out to a (cheap) 30" CRT HDTV. Here's the order in which I rate them: 1. Pioneer Elite CLD-97 -- Least amount of video noise of the three players. Slightly softer picture, but also looks more "analog", than the other two. If there is any CLV smear I haven't noticed it yet. Has a slow side change. No AC-3 output. 2. Pioneer Elite CLD-99 -- A sharper picture, stronger color, and faster side change than the 97, but with more video noise. Picture can look too processed. Ever so slight smearing on CLV discs. Has AC-3 output. 3. Pioneer D-704 -- A little more noisier than other two players, but as sharp as the 99. CLV smear much more noticeable. I've played around with the adjustable DNR but can never quit get that balance between less noise without blurring of detail. Fast side change, and AC-3 output.

Author:	elviscaprice [ 15 Aug 2012, 14:19 ]
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Before getting a new player, maybe all you need is a pass thru device to see if you can improve the picture performance. An easy way to get a better comb filter or DNR found in the better players.

Author:	rein-o [ 15 Aug 2012, 14:59 ]
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the Pioneer CLD-R7G has no white smear and has dual side and no crosstalk.

Author:	mikeystoyz [ 16 Aug 2012, 01:21 ]
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I have a pass through device on the 704. It looks good.

Author:	rixrex [ 16 Aug 2012, 04:15 ]
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I have both LX600 and LX900 and like both of them over the 703 or 704, which I sold a while back. Just that they have no AC3 out. They both perform very well on a Sharp Aquos via the composite input without any enhancer. I like the DVL 909/919 better than the 703 or 704 as well. I have had good experiences with the LX-1000u, but recently discovered that it performs less well with warped or warbly discs causing crosstalk, usually the older discs, but is superb with better manufactured later discs. Also have had very good pictures from these single-side Pioneer players: CLD-s104, CLD-s201 and the only US player with the red laser, CLD-1010. But the best single-side players of the standard consumer market players I believe are the Philips 488 and other Philips/Magnavox players of that ilk.

Author:	elahrairrah [ 16 Aug 2012, 15:01 ]
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Well, I've owned the Elite-ified D704 in the CLD-79. I can say I preferred the picture from my subsequent players in the R7G and Panasonic LX-900/Runco LJR II. Though the 79 was much better than the DVL-919 that I owned. And slightly better than the DVL-700 (which has PQ somewhere between the 919 and the 79.) Never seen any of the other "premium" players in action though, so I can't really comment on them. Now was it worth it for me to spend the extra to upgrade from the 79 to my current "main" player? I think so. I have a sizeable collection, so it makes sense to get all that I can out of my LDs. Would I upgrade to one of the "premium" players? At this point, only if I can get it for a bargain (which is why I scour craiglist daily--paid off since I found the LX-900 and Runco LJR II for cheaps on there!) as I'm pretty happy right now with the R7G and LX-900. I'm actually debating on which to use as my main player since my new monitor (Sony WEGA KV-40XBR800) has such a great comb filter.

Author:	disclord [ 16 Aug 2012, 16:03 ]
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elahrairrah wrote: Well, I've owned the Elite-ified D704 in the CLD-79. I can say I preferred the picture from my subsequent players in the R7G and Panasonic LX-900/Runco LJR II. Though the 79 was much better than the DVL-919 that I owned. And slightly better than the DVL-700 (which has PQ somewhere between the 919 and the 79.) Never seen any of the other "premium" players in action though, so I can't really comment on them. Now was it worth it for me to spend the extra to upgrade from the 79 to my current "main" player? I think so. I have a sizeable collection, so it makes sense to get all that I can out of my LDs. Would I upgrade to one of the "premium" players? At this point, only if I can get it for a bargain (which is why I scour craiglist daily--paid off since I found the LX-900 and Runco LJR II for cheaps on there!) as I'm pretty happy right now with the R7G and LX-900. I'm actually debating on which to use as my main player since my new monitor (Sony WEGA KV-40XBR800) has such a great comb filter. The LX-900 is truly a great player - I have two now and love them both, especially the one that Duncan serviced and added AC-3 RF to. The EAD TheaterVision is great too, but the 900 is superior in some ways. I'd love to own a Runco, but I've never found one for sale in my area. I've been in contact with the guy from EAD who designed and modded the CLD-99 for the TheaterVision - it's been interesting finding out what they did, which I'll post when I do a full comparison review of the EAD to the LX-900.

Author:	elahrairrah [ 16 Aug 2012, 16:22 ]
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disclord wrote: The LX-900 is truly a great player - I have two now and love them both, especially the one that Duncan serviced and added AC-3 RF to. The EAD TheaterVision is great too, but the 900 is superior in some ways. I'd love to own a Runco, but I've never found one for sale in my area. I've been in contact with the guy from EAD who designed and modded the CLD-99 for the TheaterVision - it's been interesting finding out what they did, which I'll post when I do a full comparison review of the EAD to the LX-900. There may have been something wrong with the Runco that I had. When using the Snell&Wilcox test pattern on VE the solid red bar in the bottom right of the screen had a lot of distortion and was showing up as violet color! I mean the picture looked pretty good otherwise, but that always irked me. Haven't checked the LX-900 to see if that gives off the same problem with the test pattern (might do that when I get home just to make sure.) I'll also make a gif of the test pattern, video capture I made with the Runco so you all can see what I'm talking about (I've since sold the Runco on ebay for a tidy profit, so I can't do any further testing.)

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Author:	elahrairrah [ 16 Aug 2012, 16:27 ]
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Hah, I still have the Runco demo video on one of my youtube channels that I used to help sell the player on Ebay! Runco LJR II - Ebay LD Player Demo I was using my old, crappy digital camera to make that, so it's kinda blurry (and crappy!)

Author:	elahrairrah [ 17 Aug 2012, 05:45 ]
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Okay, the gifs didn't turn out all that well, but here's a Youtube vid I made with the Snell and Wilcox moving orb test pattern that I captured using that Runco LJR II (part of it uses composite, the other s-video.) In both, the red color bar in the bottom right of the screen turns up violet! Runco LJR II - Snell&Wilcox Test Any reason for that happening? I had read previously that the Runco was good for keeping reds from bleeding. Not quite what I expected!

Author:	naiaru [ 17 Aug 2012, 06:23 ]
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elahrairrah wrote: Okay, the gifs didn't turn out all that well, but here's a Youtube vid I made with the Snell and Wilcox moving orb test pattern that I captured using that Runco LJR II (part of it uses composite, the other s-video.) In both, the red color bar in the bottom right of the screen turns up violet! Runco LJR II - Snell&Wilcox Test Any reason for that happening? I had read previously that the Runco was good for keeping reds from bleeding. Not quite what I expected! Man, what is up with that comb filter!? I should probably assume you've already checked this, but the hue isn't off, right?

Author:	elahrairrah [ 17 Aug 2012, 06:25 ]
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Nah, hue was fine as I capped the S&W pattern with two other players with the same settings.

Author:	naiaru [ 17 Aug 2012, 06:27 ]
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elahrairrah wrote: Nah, hue was fine as I capped the S&W pattern with two other players with the same settings. Ah, okay. I asked because the hue settings between some of my players have been different (like the CLD-D703 and LX-600), though not enough to turn red purple...