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| Author: | signofzeta [ 07 May 2018, 03:30 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I remember Disclord saying something about how the LD-W1 was in production for some time and had some sort of improvements to it over the years. I wonder if a multi-color display was part of that. Mine is all orange. |
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| Author: | admin [ 07 May 2018, 05:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
signofzeta wrote: I remember Disclord saying something about how the LD-W1 was in production for some time and had some sort of improvements to it over the years. The one picture above is from March 1991. How old is yours? (per the serial number) Julien |
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| Author: | primetarget [ 09 May 2018, 00:13 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Yes does anyone have one with a production date newer than 1988? |
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| Author: | catalyx [ 11 May 2018, 05:21 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I just found an LD-W1 on craigslist for a decent price but it’s missing a remote. Does anyone happen to have one they don’t need? I searched for the model number of CU-LD011 and the only result was one in China that already sold. If not, which alternative compatible remotes would be the best? |
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| Author: | blam1 [ 11 May 2018, 19:41 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
primetarget wrote: Yes does anyone have one with a production date newer than 1988? Mine are from 04/1988 & 12/1988. |
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| Author: | ldfan [ 12 May 2018, 03:39 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Not sure if this is accurate but I think the LD-W1 was only in "real" production for at least two years and then any updates to the units were done to existing units that were not sold in the initial two years that the player was introduced. Thus, would Pioneer even stamp a new production date for the 90's on the units they upgraded w/ the 4x oversampling DA converters? Also, I would not mind acquiring a later W1 unit but does anyone know if there was any telltale sign that gave it away that it’s the upgraded unit? |
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| Author: | tasuke [ 15 May 2018, 17:08 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
our once-esteemed ex-service guru Duncan Hunter, once claimed once that PIONEER U.S. had held a large unsold backstock of LD-W1 for years, and, eventually, instead of offering them to the public at some sort of steep discount or something, just had them all "Destroyed" in order to claim on the tax or insurance values, or some hokum like that. Irreplaceable Treasures, Wasted. Very, very, regrettable... |
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| Author: | mrfe [ 27 Nov 2018, 20:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Was this able to play both NTSC / PAL? |
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| Author: | rein-o [ 27 Nov 2018, 20:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
mrfe wrote: Was this able to play both NTSC / PAL? No |
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| Author: | blam1 [ 28 Nov 2018, 00:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
signofzeta wrote: I remember Disclord saying something about how the LD-W1 was in production for some time and had some sort of improvements to it over the years. I wonder if a multi-color display was part of that. Mine is all orange. The Multi-Color display is the Japanese variant. Not sure why Japan got the cool displays and the rest of us are stuck with orange. |
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| Author: | je280 [ 28 Nov 2018, 03:34 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
tasuke wrote: PIONEER U.S. had held a large unsold backstock of LD-W1 for years, and, eventually, instead of offering them to the public at some sort of steep discount or something, just had them all "Destroyed". Irreplaceable Treasures, Wasted. Very, very, regrettable... Very sad but most likely to be true, some companies really don't want to "devalue" their product which is perhaps understandable & when new lines are introduced things like that can happen. I was told many years ago that a similar thing happened to quite a number of PHILIPS LD players here in the UK, VLP-600-700s & perhaps others suffered a similar fate & ended up in landfill sites - apparently even after very drastic price reductions (including the "early" UK disc releases) retailers basically could not give the things away. Music 'n' Light in Glasgow were one of the few retailers who stuck with the format through the fraught early years here in the UK & they were very helpful with info from back then. Quite a number of disc returns also back in the day but most were PAL PDO Blackburn pressed. I could not get any accurate figures on the dumped numbers of PHILIPS players but the closest I could get was "a few hundred units" but given the very slow uptake & low sales I am not sure if it was as large a number as that. The early PAL PHILIPS players were not really a loss when you look back but I agree the PIONEER LD-W1 units are a very sad loss indeed but companies can be rather ruthless & to them perhaps they were more hassle than they were worth. Still sad to think of such a fate for them. The amount of new but "redundant" stuff that ends up in landfill sites is quite shocking. Does anyone know how many PIONEER units suffered such a sad end? |
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| Author: | powerofld [ 01 Dec 2018, 08:47 ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) | ||
Possess It is a big gimmick sound. It is a unique individual I am using it when viewing CAV software
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 30 Jan 2019, 09:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Ok so I’ve decided it’s time to see what broke in my W1 and it looks to be a relatively simple fix. A pin that used to attach to a spring broke from its plastic socket. I think I can get it going again pretty easily but I’d love it if someone could send me a pic of the inside of their W1 just so I can verify what normal is. With the cover off, I just need to see the big white gear that rotates the big cast aluminum bridge. When viewed with the cover off, near the back, on the opposite side of the power button bar. There should be a small spring on the big white gear wheel, it seems it’s there to dampen some motion or impact, I don’t know. Anyway, when that spring hops off (in my case because the upper peg came out) the entire bridge will rotate freely and your stuff won’t play. This broke at some point last year, after nearly 30 years of service. Built in July 1988. EDIT: There's some kind of service manual archive around here, isn't there? I can't seem to find it. EDIT EDIT: I found it, there doesn't seem to be a manual for the LD-W1 though. |
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| Author: | ldfan [ 09 Feb 2022, 07:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Hey Zeta, I know this is a fairly old post but I think you mentioned recently that your W1 was still out of commission. Thus, I hope this pic of the rotator gear will help w/ your issue.  From what I can tell in the service manual, there are two sets of gears + springs sandwiched together and positioned 180 degrees from each other to act as a position lock to assure the transport is always perfectly stable when clamping a disc for A & B side. If you still have the broken part, it should be doable to glue back but I would see about reinforcing it w/ a plastic sheet all around the crack to act as a cast (that's what I had to do w/ a plastic spring retainer on the door of my 3030 and it has been going strong five years in now). |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 09 Feb 2022, 12:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I fixed the pin issue. I was just having trouble putting it all back together with the correct tension. I can play sides A and C but not B and D, IIRC. I haven’t been inside in quite a while. I’ll look into it again soon. Thanks for the picture! |
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| Author: | krbahr [ 10 Feb 2022, 05:18 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
The pin and spring mainly allows for cushioning the assembly so it does bang from the weight, it will work without the spring but the flip down drops hard. I have also had to work on one where the plastic hole cracked causing the pin to slip out. After I got the pin securely installed and spring reattached the unit worked fine. |
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| Author: | blam1 [ 17 Jul 2022, 01:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I think I've had a total of 7 of these over the years. Currently have 5 - but only 2 work. The number one issue I've had with them is the transport not being locked down properly and the mechanism bangs around so bad it tears the ribbon cable. I've never been able to find a replacement. The next issue is getting it all timed correctly. There are probably 100 micro switches, and it can be put together with several of them in the wrong orientation. |
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| Author: | ldfan [ 13 Feb 2023, 05:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I thought of creating a new thread to ask this question but I figured it didn't really deserve a whole new thread for what might be a simple question. So here it goes... We all know that Pioneer and other LD player manufacturers like giving names to the technology in their players in respect to the turnover mechanisms they deploy. Pioneer has had the Alpha, Gamma, and Epsilon names associated to their different generation of both side play machines. However, for the LD-W1, I have never heard of a name that Pioneer gave this very unique turn mechanism. I have researched their brochures and service manual w/ no obvious mention of a particular name. So, does anyone know if there ever was a name given and if so what was it? |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 13 Feb 2023, 17:51 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
I guess it probably didn’t need a name since it was the only thing like it. It was the first flipper, wasn’t it? I call it, “W”. |
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| Author: | ldfan [ 13 Feb 2023, 20:40 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PIONEER LD-W1 4-Side LD Changer (1988) |
Yup... It was the very first flipper. Thus, I can assume that maybe Pioneer was too busy trying to make this very unique machine work and didn't think of having a special name for the mechanism. I suppose they started the naming conventions afterwards to help differentiate all their future designs. Anyway, "W" is a great nickname for the player  .
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