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 Post subject: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 28 Nov 2011, 03:45 
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So I just downloaded the CLD-D703 manual from the LD player manual thread and there's a block diagram that seems to suggest that the CLD-503's composite goes through a 3-line digital comb filter. But after that diagram there's a much more complicated looking diagram for the CLD-703 that shows a line connected to the two composite RCA outputs labeled "DIRECT COMPOSIT" that seems to have no connection to the block labeled "3LINE COMB". I was under the impression that the CLD-D703 was one of those recombined Y/C players, is that true?
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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 28 Nov 2011, 04:15 
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Yes, the 703 is re-combined Y/C, same design as the 704.
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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2011, 20:43 
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In theory the player could be modified to output direct composite, right? If so, the result should be an improved picture assuming we then feed it through a modern comb filter (HDTV, scaler, etc).

...but HOW to modify it for direct composite. I'm guessing that is quite a challenge.
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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 29 Nov 2011, 23:59 
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What you have to do is grab the composite signal before the IC and performs the (3D filtering/TBC/digitization/DNR) and rebuffer it to the proper peak to peak levels. This actually gives you an analog output but no TBC.

Why not buy a CLD-S201, or S104 that is a completely analog machine which adds analog TBC? Probably better than modifying the 703, you can get these players for $50 or less.
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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2012, 17:50 
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The Signal to Noise ratio is going to be a limiting factor in these players though. Would it be that hard to engineer a circuit that makes the direct composite from the LD player work with a TV? The problem is the composite signal before the TBC is not a 75 Ohm Impedance correct?
  
 
 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2012, 19:52 
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krbahr wrote:
What you have to do is grab the composite signal before the IC and performs the (3D filtering/TBC/digitization/DNR) and rebuffer it to the proper peak to peak levels. This actually gives you an analog output but no TBC.

Why not buy a CLD-S201, or S104 that is a completely analog machine which adds analog TBC? Probably better than modifying the 703, you can get these players for $50 or less.

Or buy an LD-S2 or HLD-X0. :D

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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 02 Mar 2012, 20:25 
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According to this thread, all the LD-S2's BNC output does is bypass the character generator. It is still comb filtered then recombined.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... 672&page=9

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"Now the LD-S2 has output #2 for both Composite and S-Video and it claims to be a more pure output. It is but the difference is that the video signal bypasses the character generator circuit that adds the on-screen data, all of the video outputs on the LD-S2 are digitized and Y/C separated inside the machine. Removing the character generator circuit does help. I'm trying to get a service manual for the X0 and if I ever do I'll confirm if it is just the character generator bypassed just like the LD-S2. The basic chassis is the same between the S2 and X0 but due to the MUSE capability there are some internal differences."
  
 
 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 03 Mar 2012, 00:33 
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jamisonia wrote:
According to this thread, all the LD-S2's BNC output does is bypass the character generator. It is still comb filtered then recombined.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... 672&page=9

Kurtis Bahr said:

"Now the LD-S2 has output #2 for both Composite and S-Video and it claims to be a more pure output. It is but the difference is that the video signal bypasses the character generator circuit that adds the on-screen data, all of the video outputs on the LD-S2 are digitized and Y/C separated inside the machine. Removing the character generator circuit does help. I'm trying to get a service manual for the X0 and if I ever do I'll confirm if it is just the character generator bypassed just like the LD-S2. The basic chassis is the same between the S2 and X0 but due to the MUSE capability there are some internal differences."

I remember reading that some time ago, too. Thanks for the reminder.

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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 03 Mar 2012, 02:07 
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The CLD-97 and HLD-X0 have a separate composite D/A conversion. These two are digitally recombined.

But I agree if you really want the best analog look buy a LD-S2 or HLD-X0.
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 Post subject: Re: is CLD-703 composite recombined Y/C?
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2012, 15:40 
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nems wrote:
In theory the player could be modified to output direct composite, right? If so, the result should be an improved picture assuming we then feed it through a modern comb filter (HDTV, scaler, etc).

...but HOW to modify it for direct composite. I'm guessing that is quite a challenge.



I was thinking of trying this as well.
Does anyone have a schematic for the CLD D703?
Many thanks for any help.Audio section as well if poss

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