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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 04:51 |
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If you are going to spend money don't bother wasting it on an LX900 there is a lot of hype about that player but it's not really worth it, keep your money and spend it on a CLD-97 or 95 or higher end. but if you aren't happy with a 702 right now you may never be happy, unless you adjust your TV to make it look better. Good luck. ________________________________ the rein-o official signature:
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sdraper
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 08:32 |
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Thanks guys. I love my 702 and thought it great before the 960. I think it may be something in the TV's settings as there's certainly something weird under advanced video options. I have all NR off, settings done with VE and the DVD version. Each preset mode is wildly different even with the same settings, so I stick with the Pro mode and have it set properly on straight composite, component from DMR-ES25 and HDMI coming from the 25 as well which does 480p, 720p or 1080i. They get progressively less noisy but the straight composite has the most color and warmth and of course the most noise. The 25's comb filter improves with the component 480i but I can't seem to get the unit's service menus to leave the black levels alone so it matches the composite original. The set allows me to enlarge the image decently on these (but it looks awful), but the HD input lops everything off awfully. I tried another handful of discs last night and got really disheartened at how even great transfers were noisy and washed out when they were great on the old set. Perhaps it's time for another go in Sony service menu hell to try and attempt tweaks to the comb filter and zoom settings if I can find them. Or it may be that it just hates SD. I tried old retro consoles and it was just awful. Genesis, PSX and poor N64 being just horrid compared to my old set. But DVD via PS3, Blu and PS3 games are stunning, vivid and PHENOMENAL. I guess I just wanted to make sure it wasn't my player before I went off the deep end. Soooo...anyone know somewhere to get get a rolling cart for one of the bigger and heavier flat glass Sony 4:3 trinitrons? I think I'll just have to roll it in front when I want to watch LDs or play old games. I will post my tv settings when I get a chance.
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sdraper
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 13 Nov 2015, 18:29 |
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Currently I have: Composite Picture: 20 Brightness: 37 Color: 31 Sharpness: 20 Color Temp: Neutral. Composite tweaked closer to DVD setting:Picture up to 25.
Component: Same levels with Picture at 25. VE LD setting is Picture at 23, Brightness and Color each at 30, Sharpness at 15.
HDMI input: VE LD run through dmr-es25 outputting 1080i: P:14 B: 41 C: 31 S: 20 Neutral Color temp.
HDMI settings for PS3 games: P 20, B 48, C 31, S 30, Neutral.
HDMI settings for BD/DVD: P 25, B 37, C 31, S 20, Neutral. Calibrated to AVS patterns and tweaked slightly from there.
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gumbyandpals
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 02:25 |
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alien wrote: I've heard that some TVs be that CRT, LCD/LED or Plasma, need sharpness so to speak because setting it to 0 on some sets artificially softens the image. I've seen TVs that do this, but it's generally very obvious. i.e. "0" is very soft and "1" looks normal. I can't remember how the 960 was in that regard. Also, I believe the warm setting on the 960 was a little too warm, but still closer than any of the other settings to 6500K.
_________________ Laserdisc Player CLD-3080 w/ AC-3
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nissling
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 14 Nov 2015, 05:09 |
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alien wrote: I've heard that some TVs be that CRT, LCD/LED or Plasma, need sharpness so to speak because setting it to 0 on some sets artificially softens the image. To verify the correct sharpness level you can use test pattern for TVLs like this one for example. With artificially sharpened or softened picture you will see aliasing.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 17:27 |
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I'm going to assume the D702 is akin to the D701, which by the specs makes it closer to a D604/5/6. And a D604/5/6 is inherently a noisy player.
It can get better than that (like a D703/4, Elites S1, S2, 79, 95, 97, 99, Panasonic LX-900/Runco LJR, etc.) all depends on how much you want to spend.
I wouldn't go through ebay as player prices have seemingly gone to premium prices now. I usually scour craigslist at least once a week (in locations within reasonable driving distance for me--and mind you, I'm willing to drive 2-3 hours if necessary.) It does work as I've gotten extremely lucky picking up a Runco LJR-I, LJR-II, 2 D703's and a 97 off of there for fractions of what you would pay on Ebay.
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gumbyandpals
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 19:08 |
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If you were to get a new player, what's your budget? If you want to get a bargain, some of the late 80's early 90's players are actually quite affordable and underrated. They have inherently lower noise levels because they don't have a heavy reliance on digital processing. CLD-3030, 3070, or 3080 might be good choices. They also have pretty low (some will say non-existent but I will say low ) CLV smear.
_________________ Laserdisc Player CLD-3080 w/ AC-3
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sdraper
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Post subject: Re: Does it get much better than a CLD-D702? Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 20:36 |
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Practically as little as possible. I'd at least like something as good in PQ as the 702. Digital audio is a must since it's my favorite part of the format. Ac3 isn't because so few discs have them and if I want to try one , I just use my 700. Side flips are okay by me, IMO it's just like reel changes and nothing is worse than waiting for my screwy 702 to hit black so I can jump up super fast a run to hit eject before the auto-flip jams and I have to unplug and reset. So what would you suggest? I've searched in vain for a nice 900 and of course the 704s are ridiculously overpriced.
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