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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 02 Mar 2012, 00:04 ] |
| Post subject: | Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDTV |
I've tried various ways to rout this player into my HDTV, and all of them look like garbage. I know it may be difficult to fix this issue, and I know that Laserdiscs look different from HDTV to HDTV, but I need to know if anyone around here has tried any analog sources on Sony Bravia TVs, and found a way for them to look half way decent. Any ideas? |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 02 Mar 2012, 01:03 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
flcl4evr wrote: I've tried various ways to rout this player into my HDTV, and all of them look like garbage. I know it may be difficult to fix this issue, and I know that Laserdiscs look different from HDTV to HDTV, but I need to know if anyone around here has tried any analog sources on Sony Bravia TVs, and found a way for them to look half way decent. Any ideas? Well, what devices have you tried putting in between the player and TV? |
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| Author: | substance [ 02 Mar 2012, 02:17 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
Unfortunately no cure for this sort of setup. I used to warch my cld 97 on my sony 40" xbr2 lcd which is the last good sony lcd with much lesser processing than ones out today( no 120hz etc). Deinterlacing analog sources is terrible. It just wont pick up quick cadence changes,bad edits etc.. aspect ratio management is although better than most tvs(even from my pioneer monitor) still not good enough. You can watch full screen movies,anime,tv shows ok. Anything wider than 1.85:1, wide zoom will distort it to anwatchable. I think a more digitised later pioneer is more suitable for lcds. Cld 704 or 99. I ended up stop watching lds on my lcd. I use my pioner plasma and got myself a vp30 with abt 102 deinterlacer video processor. |
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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 02 Mar 2012, 03:20 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
naiaru wrote: flcl4evr wrote: I've tried various ways to rout this player into my HDTV, and all of them look like garbage. I know it may be difficult to fix this issue, and I know that Laserdiscs look different from HDTV to HDTV, but I need to know if anyone around here has tried any analog sources on Sony Bravia TVs, and found a way for them to look half way decent. Any ideas? Well, what devices have you tried putting in between the player and TV? I have attempted to run it through a Denon receiver, which upscales it to 1080p through either S-Video and composite, and straight through to the TV, which is composite only. |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 02 Mar 2012, 03:45 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
flcl4evr wrote: naiaru wrote: flcl4evr wrote: I've tried various ways to rout this player into my HDTV, and all of them look like garbage. I know it may be difficult to fix this issue, and I know that Laserdiscs look different from HDTV to HDTV, but I need to know if anyone around here has tried any analog sources on Sony Bravia TVs, and found a way for them to look half way decent. Any ideas? Well, what devices have you tried putting in between the player and TV? I have attempted to run it through a Denon receiver, which upscales it to 1080p through either S-Video and composite, and straight through to the TV, which is composite only. Is the TV 1080p native or some weird 768p resolution? |
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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 02 Mar 2012, 03:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
Its 1080p native |
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| Author: | naiaru [ 02 Mar 2012, 04:07 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
hmm, what model is your Denon? And have you tried calibrating the display yet? (oh, I probably should've mention this earlier, but I too use a LCD HDTV (Panasonic VIERA TC-L42U30) and get pretty good performance, which is why I think you should be able to as well, but then again, mine's only a 42") |
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| Author: | krbahr [ 03 Mar 2012, 01:55 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
Did you turn off all the DNR type functions on the TV? |
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| Author: | flcl4evr [ 03 Mar 2012, 05:54 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
krbahr wrote: Did you turn off all the DNR type functions on the TV? I believe so, I'd have to double check |
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| Author: | rbf18270 [ 25 Apr 2012, 18:01 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
I have run mine through a Toshiba upconvert DVD recorder and the picture looks pretty good |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 26 Apr 2012, 00:14 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
I can't really understand how anyone serious about LD could be watching the stuff on an LCD. Results range from mediocre to absolutely horrible. The upscalers and such help, a lot, but they cost 10x as much as a good CRT and still don't look at good. Myself, I have an entire room set aside for SD viewing (LD and SD game systems). I realize not everyone has this luxury, but I highly recommend it. |
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| Author: | substance [ 26 Apr 2012, 00:59 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
The problem is once you are used to watching movies on large screen tv,it is difficult to watch anything on a 27" crt. I watch laserdiscs knowing its limitations.never in the hope that it will look like a bluray or even dvd. |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 26 Apr 2012, 02:58 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
substance wrote: The problem is once you are used to watching movies on large screen tv,it is difficult to watch anything on a 27" crt. I watch laserdiscs knowing its limitations.never in the hope that it will look like a bluray or even dvd. It isn't an issue of LDs looking better or worse than BR, or one type of TV being better than another, its an issue of of interlaced composite signals on hardware built by people who didn't care about interlaced composite signals. LDs look great on CRTs. The LCD displays kill them though making them look worse than they actually are. It's kind of like spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on surgery trying to get women's underwear to look good on a man. Just put him in men's underwear. |
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| Author: | substance [ 26 Apr 2012, 03:33 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
But crt tv are small. Largest you can get is 36", or 40" if you can find one of those in working order. For me watching a movie on anything smaller than 60" kills the experience too. Try explaining this to those with 140" screen with projo |
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| Author: | signofzeta [ 26 Apr 2012, 08:57 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
substance wrote: But crt tv are small. Largest you can get is 36", or 40" if you can find one of those in working order. For me watching a movie on anything smaller than 60" kills the experience too. Try explaining this to those with 140" screen with projo Well, OK. If you'd rather have a giant and horrible looking image that a smaller good looking one (Only 40"?! My God thats SO SMALL!) then...whatever floats your boat. For me, even 1080p starts to show the seems on some of the larger sets. I suppose you could always get an old three gun projector. Those will often do 100" or so. |
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| Author: | elahrairrah [ 26 Apr 2012, 14:43 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
substance wrote: But crt tv are small. Largest you can get is 36", or 40" if you can find one of those in working order. For me watching a movie on anything smaller than 60" kills the experience too. Try explaining this to those with 140" screen with projo I've seen LD on a 61" HD-Ready 4:3 RPTV and they look pretty good on those. Though they're becoming harder to find than the 40" CRTs (luckily I have one of those.) But like signofzeta is trying to say, you can't pour 16oz of water into a gallon jug and expect it to look full. |
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| Author: | substance [ 26 Apr 2012, 15:50 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
Depends on what tv vs. Crt. My pioneer plasma shows very nice video when a laserdisc composite video is fed in it. I have an outboard video processor on the chain but even direct from ld player is decent. I personaly want to upgrade to a jvc or sony projector but before that I need a good a pair of mono or stereo power amps for my front speakers. I hear jvc d-ila projector are nice on laserdiscs analog nature |
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| Author: | substance [ 26 Apr 2012, 15:56 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Pioneer CLD-59 Elite Player on a Sony Bravia 52' LCD HDT |
Sony g90 is the king with three 9" crt lenses(red,green,blue) It support resolutions higher than 1080p and refresh rates higher than 60hz(native) with very decent contrast but a lot of parts are sony propiotery and sony doesnt support it anymore. For this reason this $40k+ projector can be bought for under $1000 nowadays. I have once seen two of them synced on one screen, beautiful cinema film like picture. |
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