No thanks I have player that does AC-3 only need the Dolby AC-3 demodulator for it now. I wonder about the vibration around the chassis I bet that player saw more vibration than it useless produces. Lucky there isn't a dry-joint on it and it had loosened. Dry joints are pig to find. I have one my other AVR that I soldered up over 18 months and ago and its loosened up again maybe in the same spot or new spot. The Display function needs a tap now and then and stripping that down takes a few hours, sigh.

I think Gladiator off the top of head was only SDDS6 release so no five screen discrete mix sadly for the Oscar winning mix.

I don’t know lol for sure yet if the SDDS processor even works on the AUX mode 6/8hannel input/outputs and analogue inputs/outputs, yet? Its still somewhere in transit hasn’t arrived yet, maybe this Saturday or next week. I got buy D-25 connectors and some helping hands when doing the soldering as I came close last time to burning myself. .
I have seen and SDDS D2500 going for bidding only on eBay recently. Can’t find it, must have ended or didn’t sale, might be relisted again soon?

Also still up is the D2000 this won’t work with an AVR on AUX mode 6/8channel input for the 8channel 1/3 EQ and sound mode settings. Maybe why its still up for sale for over a year, no one wants this model. The D3000 is the one to get if going for cheap (buy it now) price buy it!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SDDS-film-dec ... 0117418807

I'll try my pc on it and see if, it (hand-shakes between D3000 and pc) if not a cheap pc for under £100.00 would be fine for setting up the sound menu and all other settings.

I'll check it with RCA connection when getting it to see if the stereo signal is passing though and displaying on the LED, but first things first does it power-up. If not check internal slow-blow fuse if okay think what else can it by and if its the worse at least it would be nice to look at.

Gladiator was an 8 channel SDDS release and sounded fantastic in an 8-channel HITS equipped theater at AMC - specifically AMC Barrywoods 24 in Kansas City, Mo, where my partner was operations manager at the time.

As an ex-projectionist and just a film lover and tech geek, SDDS was my favorite digital sound format - not only for the 8-channel capability (which, sadly, was never used to provide a directional dialog mix) but for basic sound quality. The ATRAC Pro compression system was, audibly, completely transparent. Once Sony finished dealing with the unfortunate problem of unreliable LED reader arrays, the format became much more tolerant of film splices and general wear. Plus, Sony developed the quad 35mm print that held all 3 digital sound formats plus Dolby or DTS Optical Stereo. Sony's digital Pro Logic emulation, implemented in their later SDDS processors and which they also used in their first two stand-alone consumer Dolby Digital decoders and ES DD receiver, is still superb - Dolby actually licensed parts of it from Sony for their own digital PL decoding - and Sony's ATRAC compression system uses some of Dolby's AC-3 patents, so they've always had a cross-licensing arrangement.

I still have the original, beautiful, brochures that Sony made to sell SDDS to theater owners and the industry. They were really great about sending stuff like that to movie fans. It's a shame they never used the space allocated to SDDS on DVD - or made an LD or DVD with all the cool SDDS snipes and demo film.

Well the SDDS film list page is down and I'm certain when I looked a year or more ago it wasn't stated as SDDS8.

http://www.sdds.com/

When clicking on films released list its just running slow so they've got some server snags today, it was fine last week.

I found a back-up and again its not listed under (2000) releases.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_8_ ... films#2000

All the Pretty Horses
Charlie's Angels
Erin Brockovich
Finding Forrester
Girl, Interrupted
Godzilla 2000:
Millennium
High Fidelity
Hollow Man
The Perfect Storm
The 6th Day
U-571
Vertical Limit


I've heard of its small snags it had with soundtrack being close to sprockets.

Sony stated in home cinema magazine years ago around mid 90's that it SDDS would never be released into the home cinema market that its strictly for cinema only. No wonder they don't want to share with other children.

No more than 200 SDDS 8 releases made and lot of good films in-between all the thousands of SDDS 6 channel releases.

Remember Gladiator was as Dolby digital surround-EX and dts-ES I think the region 1 DVD is dts-ES 6.1 discrete the region 2 DVD is only dts-ES matrix so not not much point in using dts on region 2.

I read somewhere thou I'd have to pull the Mix Magazine out for another read on the mix for "The Patriot" (2000) that talked about the scoring mix for the film as well as sound and effects being placed on the inner-left and inner-right. You can read though it here http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_scoring_patriot/ the full article covers several pages.

I believe the SDDS can down-mix and SDDS8 to SDDS6.

Also if I can recall nearly most SDDS8 releases had an SDDS8channel logo on the end credits.

Off the top of my head if you watch the DVD or bluray or the odd so Laserdisc
U-571
The director raves about in the audio commentary

Also same director again for Terminator 3 (Jonathan Mostow) raves about I can't recall lol if there was an SDDS8 logo on the end credits and several of early releases like Last Action Hero and In The Line of Fire didn't have an SDDS8 logo just the standard SDDS logo.

"The Perfect Storm" (2000) has an SDDS8 logo credited on the end of film. Mostly it would be sound effects discretely placed over the five-screen it hardly has any huge dialouge panning happening in the mix its mostly centred.

"Ocean's Twelve" (2004) has an SDDS8 credit on the end again its centred dialouge so effects well I'd be surprised what its like in SDDS8 as its rather dull in Dolby 5.1 its mostly a dialouge driven film, even the surrounds are low in sound level on the Dolby 5.1 mix.

"Surf's Up" (2007) last known SDDS8 release and 5 years have passed us by I think Sony has abandoned SDDS8 and SDDS will soon fade into the cinema history books by the middle of this, decade.

"Terminator 3" (2003) if you look at the technical spec its started as SDDS8
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181852/

"The Perfect Storm" (2000) stated as SDDS8 and it was also released as Dolby digital surround-EX
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0177971/

"Gladiator" (2000) not a dicky bird mentioning of SDDS8 not even Dolby Digital surround-EX even thou its credited on the end of the film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172495/

Sony SDDS decoder will be here on Monday after waiting days at UK customs to be checked then waiting again to be picked up.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but what is the point of buying an SDDS decoder as their is no home media that supports the format. I see the movies listed above but blu-ray's and DVD's don't support SDDS audio codecs. Am I correct that the only reason one would by an SDDS decoder is if they have the original 35 mm film prints that were shown in theaters and they were playing those (ie, not blu-ray, DVD, laserdisc,...)? Once again, maybe I am confused, but it's like somebody buying a receiver that decodes TrueHD but then he only plays standard DVD's. They are not benefiting from having a TrueHD decoder as there are no TrueHD tracks on standard DVD's?

Okay got some materials yesterday start on my small projection port window.

Some cheap off-cuts of MDF for the port window hole

Some poly-fill for the wall

Some liquid nails to pump into the gabs around the MDF and after 24 hours or more

it goes HARD as nails.

Some wall brackets for the projector to sit on

Some screws and wall plugs for fitting of the wall brackets

A small pot of yellow bumble bee pain LOL they’ll call yellow paint anything today.

And a masonry drill bit for drilling into the wall.

Got my ear plugs!

Okay let’s go to work.



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The hole or area was marked out a little different to where I was going to place it, I centred up the area to be drilled out between the centre back surrounds. Lots of holes was drilled vertically then horizontally then diagonally until there was enough to then start drill at downward/upward angles until the brick crumbed apart and it too just over 2 hours. Each drilling took about 6 seconds of aggressive drilling.



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The drilling kicked up a bit of mess and it was expected and has since been cleaned up and the floor moped over to make sure its clean and at least on the back end of the room and more cleaning later on as I want it CLEAN!



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The hole in wall was the hardest part if you haven't done it before?



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Mess in the kitchen as I was drilling from the living room side.



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Sizing up the MDF for final cutting all the pieces fitted in tightly and then I pumped in nearly a whole tube of liquid nails that will be hard as nails within a good 48 hours. It should support around the MDF as well any air gaps plus poly-fill will be laird over and over over then next few days until ready to sand it down smoothly and re-paint the walls.



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Waiting now for the liquid nails and poly-fill to dry off and set hard, no rush as its all slowly coming together in just a day and bit now. It might be finished tomorrow or Monday well very least Tuesday.



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Once done I can start setting up the projector checking to see if the light clears the living room light shade which I doubt it would so I’d have to modify the light fitting not a big deal, so that projection light won’t be distracted.

Small picture frames with glass will be fitted to both sides the frame will be drilled and screwed into the MDF with glass placed between not a big deal. It should then isolate the fan noise which is the whole point as well as putting the projector out of sight.

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Looking towards the back of the room. Cables will be feed though a small round hole in the wall with some plastic piping cut to size at the nearest short end in the living room then placed in cable trunking and channelled across the kitchen wall to the projector for (RGB / S-video / component).



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Looking though the unfinished port window towards the front of the room. Once done I can start drilling the holes for the wall bracket and get the projector fitted up and aligned to see where I stand with it and then start thinking about changing the screen from bed sheet to Seymour screen material.

Laserdisc NTSC to DVD-RW, (original 1979) STAR TREK the motion picture in Dolby Stereo on the 32" Panasonic, soon I can watch films without having to listen to projectors fan noise.



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Dropped the bed sheet down and switched off the light to run a pre-projector testing of the video projector that I had to hold and tilt to the correct angle until the image was clear on the screen.

This picture is before I switched on the projector.

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Using a screen saver mode on the projector to check that the image is getting though the port hole and up onto the screen.

I also checked poly-fill and its ready for another layer and I might be able to get two more fillings before the end of the night. Looking at the picture gives me an idea yes that light has to be fitted up tightly to the ceiling or I go with ceiling lights fitted flash into the plasterboard not a big deal.



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Applied some more poly-fill I might be able to get down to sanding tomorrow and fitting the wall brackets.




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A friend and one many sons popped around earlier tonight to help out on little filling.

My friend said he could get me, something better on demolition site as he knocks down a lot of buildings and finds some good items, the wall bracket is a little small and can be used for something else.

I've temporarily set the projector up on top of the microwave oven and loudspeaker placed on top to get the correct height, near about as it still needs some tilting down and Keystone adjustment which I have made.

Put on Logan's Run (1976) Todd-AO 6 track Dolby Stereo TrueHD as it has cool dialouge panning with half and hard pans as well as sound effects panning across the screen all topped off with a cool Jerry Goldsmith score.





The light fitting I'll adjust tomorrow. I'll shut the electrical off for the lights and re-cut the lead shorter as possible so that projection light clears it if not suitable I'd have to install ceiling lights so they're flush with ceiling.



I have to make this Sooty proof as my cat would study and find a way to jump up onto the fridge he's smart cat. Once its on better bracket



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The cables are temporarily going though the port window hole until Monday I'll drill a hole in the wall as it would tale a while to do a 1.5" size and I want to have break from the drill for a few days.

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Logan's Run beaming out of the projector on the carousel and you'll be renewed.



‎"Be strong and you'll be renewed".

Sony SDDS DFP-D3000 arrived 40mins ago and so far I’ve only been able to test the non-sync input to see if audio signal is passing though which lit up on the LED that was pre-programmed for (pro-logic matrix) so at least I know that part is working.

The fan is rather noisy so I’ll have to suss out something to minimize this when installed in the racking.

Rack ears! It doesn’t have any 3U rack ears, but I’ve just ordered some and should be here in couple of days.

Packing box was intact.



Packing inside the box was good.


I'll have to find something to rub off the felt tip pen writing its not a big deal.


LED display illuminated brightly


Front panel has to screws on that allow for the panel to open outwards on hinges revealing the three cards inside.


Audio signal is passing though after selecting the (preset formats) on the front.


Rear view, I'm not sure if I have spare 25 pin D-plug somewhere? No matter I have to buy some cheap connectors and solder the wires up and then see if my pc will connect to it, which seems doubtful so a new cheap pc with old Windows XP might get things up and running but not for several weeks.




Sooty gives the SDDS DFP-D3000 the five paw sniff over and approves it with 5 paw THX approval.






Sooty rates this, SDDS decoder highly.

So far the Sony SDDS has been a Sooty catnapping spot.



Removed the top panel for a view all the cards inside are removable from the front.

Spent the past near 2 hours locating the coloured wiring on the DB 25 pin cable lead for the input lead to the Sony.

Locating the coloured wires to pin end was done with multi-metre. Connect one of the wires to one of the probe ends on the meter and the other on the pin end of the connector. Looking with touch to verify the pin number then writing the number down along with type of coloured wire.

Some wires are plain colours others have a thin black stripe down one side of the cable.

These bare end wires will be soldered to RCA phone plugs to connect to Sony BDP-S550 bluray player 8channel outputs.
DB25 pin wiring for Sony SDDS DFP-D3000 AUX 1 input

1 Brown (Left front Gnd)
2 Red (Left front hot +)
3 Orange (Left-centre cold -)
4 Pink (Centre front Gnd)
5 Yellow (Centre front hot +)
6 Green (Right-centre front cold -)
7 PaleGreenJade (Right front Gnd)
8 Blue (Right front hot +)
9 PaleBlue (Surround left Gnd)
10 Purple (Surround left Gnd)
11 Grey (Surround right cold -)
12 White (Subwoofer cold -)
13 Black (Subwoofer Gnd)
14 Brown/Black (Left front cold -)
15 Red/Black (Left-centre front Gnd)
16 Orange/Black (Left-Centre front hot +)
17 Purple/Black (Centre front cold -)
18 Yellow/Black (Right-centre Gnd)
19 Green/Black (Right-centre front hot +)
20 PaleGreenJade/Black (Right front cold -)
21 Blue/Black (NC)
22 PaleBlue/Black (Surround right Gnd)
23 Purple/Black (Surround left hot +)
24 Grey/Black (Surround right hot +)
25 White/Black (Subwoofer hot +)

Good evening laserbite34,

I see you have been very busy sir'

I have my eye on the Xfiles DTS Laserdisc and keeps reminding me of what we discussed, but for the last 2 /12 months I have spent around £2,500+ on my flat with the decorating, painting, installing speaker cable behind coving, then fitting Speakers, furniture purchases, fitting a DAB arial in the loft for my tuner, plus a headphone amp from Graham Slee and good quality cable to go connect this to my AV amp.

Currently waiting for delivery within the next 4 weeks, for my solid Oak Computer desk and Matching two drawer filing cabinet.

Many other things besides.

You never cease to amaze myself, with all that you have done.

Take good care Friend

Well done

seeing your cat always gives a smile to my face.

rein-o
My cat is a little bugger, never stops grooming himself on top of this, Sony. He as since jumped from the Sony up onto the stage as its only 2.5 feet nearer.
I have to clean up after him, vacuum every few days as fur gets everywhere...

benmbe

Seems like you've got a lot on plate to get sorted yourself.

I haven't done nothing more to port window in the last 4 days as its only a few hours of simple top surface filling and sanding down besides, I have no funds to buy paint so I'll wait as I have to buy short plastic tube to put though the hole with liquid nails pumped in first then stuff the tube in cut to size and in 24 hours that tube will be secure.

I can then fit larger arm brackets to and fit some wood MDF to shelf line the projector on it and fit some wood around it so it won't move around. All the cables though cheap cable trunking up to projector (fitted down on the base board)? Yes I'll have to work that one out as I make it up as I have no plan for that?

The cables for the Sony I have no spare RCA plugs I can use not so I'll buy some cheap'o ones off eBay solder those up and should have enough to buy another few, cheap DB25 pin cables chop the ends off and solder the rest of the wires or screw them into CP65 as there are two options solder or screw the wires to the terminals.

And a cheap PC and I've seen plenty going as less than £65.00 some going for £38.00 with more than enough drive power to run the software for setting up the Sony.

I was thinking while watching ALIENS from the quad DVD-box-set theatrical (1986) version only. The drop ship scene when the hanger bay doors open and how clear and directional the sound is over the HF horns (makes no sense to have the sound above)?

I’ve played around with the idea, before of placing the HF horn on the floor before and seemed to work as some sounds would come from, a lower angle.

Since there is no true 9 channel front even thou Dolby has its new Atmos and from looking at the layout diagram which doesn’t mention anything like this expect Barco Auro that has a standard middle three screen and top height three screen when used with certain film soundtrack formats. Going back to Dolby Atmos I guess if they wanted a 9 screen all they have to do is have format codes and re-wire re-plug its some 64 channels and there you have it 9 screen or 15 screen when using the inner left/right channels.

I think with matching horns used behind the screen as the bass mid would be almost non-directional the HF horns direction would give localization to the sound on screen. The HF horns can be 500Hz to 16KHz or higher not that you're going to hear that easily?

Again the surrounds could work with wideband smaller HF horns placed around the cinema or room.
I tried out a below surround test a few months ago that seemed to work (except the directional sounds wasn’t making sense with the scenes). It makes no sense to hear an overhead public announcement at the airport terminal scene from The Borne Ultimatum (2007) while testing various scenes with only the surrounds while LCR remain muted, this was so I can concentre the sound, while looking at the onscreen images.

laserbite34-
I am not certain as to why you would want to isolate such a a major frequency (500hz-16khz) to any individual speaker as that frequency range is very isolated (or perhaps I misunderstood your post)? If you already have a 5.1/7.1 soundtrack, what's the advantage of taking such a broad spectrum of sound and moving it to a seperate channel? You talking about dialog as well as all high freq sound so you don't want to shift that from the correct position. What's the advantage of what your doing vs having a nice set of 7 full range speakers and feeding the entire audio spectrum into those directly from a 7.1 soundtrack?

Another Dolby CP45 just arrived this afternoon at new knockdown price of £10.00 I guess this, is a year to buy vintage Dolby cinema processors.







The only reason for the cheap buy was no, (power supply and the back-up power supply plus the cables).

Well the cables is not a problem, I can get the connectors to attach to back off eBay or from a friend. The power supply not sure if I can get away using the power supplies that are presently being used on the other Dolby CP45, unless I happen to come across some going cheap somewhere?

I have to remove the power cables from present racked Dolby CP45 and test this, Dolby CP45 to see if its running smoothly. There is note attached inside about the left-channel needs some time to warm up? Could be small sensitivity issue that needs bit of high input to wake it up?

The fader feels diffident its bit rougher tighter than the other Dolby CP45 which seems a bit lose or too smooth.

Oh, well guess I have to pull the racks forward and unplug the power cables and test it out. Plus it doesn't have the Dolby Cat-515 extension card for stereo surrounds so might have to get in contact with my contact to get another card.

I think you misunderstood and its better if you have all you're fronts with active crossovers and switch and certain HF on/off and look and listen to the film to see what works and what doesn't work. Film soundtracks are very limited to what they can do with channels. Some mixing of films, the sound/frequency tends to now and then fool me into thinking its happened over my shoulder, but when muting the other channels to see how the illusion works, you know what mean? You must have heard some films, that fool you into thinking its happening above or wherever in sound field?

I'm not sure this is accurate, perhaps i'm misunderstanding the istuation? A distinct 7.1 sound track should have it's channels played isolated to where they are supposed to be. This should require no processing. That's is why they have 7.1 encodes. If you start lifting certain frequencies out of the discrete speakers you are detracting from the original soundtrack and moving away from what the sound designer intended you to hear. The only channel you can reposition is the subwoofer as it is not directional. They have played with some digital sound processors to put channels placed above the listening position (one of the them (and most popular) being Dolby Prologic IIz) but most people find this rather poor (most professional reviews are rather negative about it, and I have never seen it used in an expensive setup).

What I'm saying is that, let's say there is an explosion in the movie on the Right-Front, then the Right-Front speaker should output this sound (ideally without any distortion or manipulation from the original signal, other than appropriate volume leveling). Certain frequencies should not be pulled from this source and put into other speakers. They will simply would degrade the sound from the Rirgh-Front and diffuse the soundstage because that very isolated sound is no longer coming from it's intended location.

The only reason to process the sound is when you are going from less channels to more channels. For example, a stereo soundtrack processed into a 7.1 speaker system. The results are never ideal and can never substitute a true 7.1 channel soundtrack.

I think you are missing the point? Yes I have Dolby dts 7.1 and it hardly ever gets played here.
Have you ever heard of diy experimentation just for fun or to extend on the film?

I tell you what get some decoders extra amps EQ's and start doing some experimentation and remember pictures please.

Yes I have read about Dolby pro-logicIIz. Oh, moving away from what was intended don’t you think I know about that? Also mixers have their hands tied behind their backs and now Dolby Atoms offers a bit more flexibility and freedom I only hope they’re more creative with new tools rather than throwing in a lot of random library of sound effects to put bums on seats, (rain never makes a sound in thin air) it only makes a sound when landing on an object like the ground so therefore the sound should come from below or underneath below surrounds. Only time it makes a sound overhead is if, you’re sat in car or in loft or on top of an umbrella!

So I hope they get rain effects right for now as with 64 channels there are no more excuses.