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Author:  rein-o [ 24 Aug 2012, 05:19 ]
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the hot glue could be removed with rubber cement thinner.
but the price of what you bought is cheaper than the hot glue and removed for the future.

if the foam cracks you may want to attach with the mouse pad rubber, use it as a washer and cut holes etc.?

Author:  laserbite34 [ 24 Aug 2012, 06:41 ]
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rein-o wrote:
the hot glue could be removed with rubber cement thinner.
but the price of what you bought is cheaper than the hot glue and removed for the future.

if the foam cracks you may want to attach with the mouse pad rubber, use it as a washer and cut holes etc.?


Yeah I see what you mean that would work cutting a hole so far down and stuffing it into the hole then spray a little more on top, well I don't need a friend now to help me out on that I just made a new friend that gave me better way to approach it. :)

Lets talk about it when I get the foam which will be next week I guess Saturday tomorrow depends how fast the postal is?

Author:  laserbite34 [ 30 Aug 2012, 11:36 ]
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Well I know next time I need gloves!!!! its damn messy stuff but its going to take a good day or two to wash it off my fingers.

I'm not too sure if its going to work but its all trial and error testing.

Pictures later as I'm not typing this from left hand far seat on the right side and its a bit hard to see the screen while tying from 6 feet away but I can still make out the text.

Its going to take total drying time 4 hours with about 3 1/2 hours drying time left some of it has dried off and if I leave what is left on my fingers it might peel off easily. Hot water makes it slipping and messy I feel like the Stay Puff Marshmallow Man just fell on me. :lol:

Author:  laserbite34 [ 30 Aug 2012, 12:21 ]
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So far so good. I had to disconcert the other x2 The Puck to isolate any distractions as the other x2 where banging against the top part of (Sooty is snooping around) banging against the springs pictures of how they where later on.

Here are some pictures of an hour and half ago.

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Foam is pretty much touch dry now and a few more hours it should be solid hard.

I have to keep Sooty away from poking his nose into it and so far he's been a good boy, he's just watching and wondering what is that strange sound??

As it turns out there are some throw away gloves attached to the inside of the can cap that eluded me.

I'm not sure I'll have enough foam to do the next seat as it might run it feels like there is 1/4 left in the can and so I'll get two more cans later on.

I'm still conducting tests but so far its not banging inside the seat bucket as its floating or hinder of suspended in-between the foam that is all around the seat bucket.

Testing the LCR low end and lows are more felt all around the seat I can feel it in the armrest and behind the seat back with certain random frequencies. I feel some in the seat but its not as distracting as it was before as it was located attached to the springs and was push lows at my a$$ rather than being uniform it was too directional now its a bit more uniform spread around.

I have to run some sine wave spot frequencies later on to get a rougher and clearer idea on how well its working and what can be improved if some lows are not doing what I should come to expect a low shuddering vibration that should only be felt without resonating vibrations that leads to distraction.

The Puck if anyone has been following hasn't got a crossover on them yet, until I can afford a suitable active crossover with variable filters. I can feel some dialouge as well as hear it as it to its mechanical limit actually its quiet neat it kinder surrounds me in an omnidirectional dialouge while still hearing speech from the centre front.


"The Arrival" Chapter 3, 19m.37s when Zane has fit with the telephone beating it against the box its all felt including when the cord is pulled and it snaps off. Traffic is also felt as it passes by along the road.

Author:  tomtastic [ 30 Aug 2012, 17:45 ]
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Finally found this thread, kind of buried in here. Went back and caught up on these 15 pages, a lot of interesting equipment out there. I think the most surprising thing I see so far is laserbite's Puck! Sounds a little like the 4D thing they have going on now in theaters, 3D screen + vibration and maybe some air puffing on you from the front.

Thinking about changing up my system a bit. I've got a newer AVR and most of the time it's ok, but I notice on some LD's, namely some music LD's the bass is almost entirely cut off. There are some adjustments on AVR but I'd have to go into the GUI each time and that's not ideal for quick listening. Something like an EQ would be better with manual switching. Is there any way to easily patch in a passive or active EQ into my modern setup? Would this go before or after AVR? Thinking after since it would make sense for post AVR processing.

laserbite, that SDDS is pretty cool, have you got anything playing thru it yet? I really wish they would release that for home theater. I know it would change up most people's speaker arrangements, but still it would be great to have it.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 30 Aug 2012, 20:33 ]
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tomtastic

Excuse me I've been up all night and had to doing shopping early morning (my hands still have small traces of foam on the fingers) and I'm shattered.

I think what you mean is if it was easy to patch x4 or more 1/3 octave EQ in-line with AVR's amp and so its kinder looped with outputs going to inputs of EQ and outs going back though the AVR and then be able to have quick easy adjustments. Not sure if there is an AVR that allows that?

Best way is unfortunately is separates. Since you'll be starting fresh with New Matching Amps New Matching Active Crossovers (you'll never know if you want to go active over passive) New Matching 1/3 EQ additional DSP EQ that would allow you to slot in frequency over an otherwise troubling spot narrow down the EQ filter called a "Q" that say if its 1KHz and you widen out the filter of the Q it would not only reduce or cut the 1KHz when turning it down or increasing the level it would interfere with bands above and below it. So you with DSP you can narrow it to a very thin bandwidth and it should only reduce the frequency you wish to adjust (or needs to be adjusted so that its more or less the same as the other speakers response).


Separates is the only way around it, You could put audio compressors/limiters in the sound chain all sorts and the wife is going to be scratching her head and saying: "All this we need all this just to watch a movie"?

So if you decide to go this route it will it will still cost a bit even with affordable brand-name products but no more than expensive items.

Most of what I use is Behringer the FBQ2496 is an ideal EQ its only 20 bands per channel but if you wanted to run it with firstly L/R and you'll need another one for Centre and stereo sidewall surrounds and another (sigh) for the stereo back surrounds and another for the subs.

Now if you wanted to increase the bands from 20 to 40 for each channel you just loop channel A out to chaannel B input and then channel B output to crossover then to Amp. But this would mean you'd have at least x8 or more FBQ2496 rather than x4 but you'll have more bands to tackle it.

Plus your have lots of racks some of which you might want nearby others placed elsewhere as it can be a bit unsightly and it might upset the misses so design it so it won't. :)

Author:  rein-o [ 30 Aug 2012, 20:47 ]
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laserbite, try some rubbing alcohol or denatured alcohol to remove from your hands.
it will come off over time but it's annoying, i've used that stuff in the past.

that's why i mentioned foam pads for computer mouse or even bubble wrap.
it will make a nice pop sound when you sit.

anyway hope the spray foam worked.
also next time, or next chair you can wrap the speaker in clear wrap for food, then put it into the foam.
so there is the hole and you can replace the speaker easier.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 30 Aug 2012, 21:11 ]
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Edit: ^^ just seen your post. I only have washing up liquid that seems to be working so, so It's going to take a few days to get this crap off my fingers. :|

This is how I had it before and it seemed all to directional.

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I'll take another picture of the seat bucket that I filled with foam in short while. I have to cut away some foam as I can feel it underneath me its not a problem, it would cut away easily to shape it evenly. I think I've leaned a few things One use the gloves provided :mrgreen: and less is more as the foam expands! Trail and error.

That feels better the seat when sitting down. Cutting foam is like slicing bread, Easy!

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Seems like I'm cutting away more than I needed and like I said...trail and error.

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Sooty looks with curiosity and no he is not going to be playing with foam slices!


Well its good I have some sine wave tones to play to locate problems that need correcting.

I'm only using a Denon CD sound check disc at present. I haven't connected up the laptop to generate the tones from REW or TrueRTA as of yet just checking it quickly.

32Hz it vibrates I can just about hear the tone as mild humming. If turned up a bit higher and its not even at full level output from the amp driving it. It then starts to produce sound that needs correcting. The transducer is banging I know what it is! I think foam being expanded under near the base of it, is what is producing the bang of the mechanising inside The Puck.

Its not a big deal to try and solve this but as long as the vibration is uniform at least I know The Puck is radiating though the foam so that tells me something at least.

Moving up to 62Hz the level can be raised higher as the device not moving as slower its going a bit faster so, okay then its telling me something I could if I had another outboard PEQ to adjust but as of now I don't.

125Hz same level that I played 62Hz, its so audible with buzzing so not too good but it feels like a mild tingle of low voltage battery on the tip of the tongue I can feel it in the armrests, maybe I should by the Laserdisc "Shocker"! :lol:
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00791/40931/Shocker-(1989)
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It is a bit distracting and so some of you know all other channels are muted so I'm only monitoring The Puck! This way it helps to eliminate? Eliminate now when that word comes up I'm thinking of Death Becomes Her. "You have to completely eliminate her".

So anyway where was I? :mrgreen: Yes I have to filter out these little snags and I'm guessing maybe the foam is good in some ways and not so good in others. Trail and error. I was thinking a while back to cutting MDF to fit the seat bucket and place a 70mm hole in the centre of the MDF and screw down The Puck the MDF would be placed so its a tight fit around the edges of the inside of the bucket to send out vibrations...

Now playing the same 125Hz over the centre channel that is a few meters away and would need ether a baffle wall rebuilt around the stage to give a little bass reinforcement, but at present I would have to turn it up so damn high to notice the feel of the tone.

Now I turn up the level on the mixer that is feed with LCR signals, I turn up the level gently until I notice the feel in the seat.

62Hz a little resonate noise from the front and I need to tighten up the stage and isolate the speakers with some soft foam padding to reduce the vibration into the wooden stage and returning back to speaker where I hear resonate.

I've placed a blanket underneath the centre channel but it only reduces some noise not all of it so, I have to place some soft foam on the shopping list and make a diy isolating board with MDF foam and carpet tiles cut to size.

Going back down to 32Hz its okay only I have to suss out how to reduce the banging sound if I can only send in one of those mini subs like in Fantastic Journey so they can uses lasers to slice away underneath The Puck I bet it would be so cool. :) That is one film I like to buy for its scope as its always been panned and scanned on TV.
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00840/100 ... yage-(1966)
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They can slice away a few pieces of foam to allow the base end of The Puck to move a bit more freely without having something in the way.

So for now I'll keep it as it is and try and learn more about as The Puck can give quiver vibration even at 20Hz or pushing it even at 16Hz but needs to be done gently.


When Zane notices a vibration at chapter 11, 4m.39s and then places his hand on the metal fence poles in front of him, even thou we can't do the same thing not even with 3-D and very unlikely Dolby Atoms as there is no physical metal poles in front that we can place our hands onto.

I can feel it in the seat base and the armrest but the shimmering is not like the real thing when placing your hand on pole. Vibrations would be sent though the hand, up the arm and into the body, plus he'd be feeling it also in his feet, up his legs and into the rest of his body.

Now if he was suspended by wires he'd feel nothing! Expect maybe when placing his hand on the metal fence pole.

At least I can feel it and notice a little more of what is there on the soundtrack over conventional TV that would only be heard and you'd have to place your hands on the TV just to feel any sort of vibration within its limited frequency response.

I really find it hard to stay focused on things and the floor is not even finished and if it was I would fit a few The Puck's into it so I can feel vibrations underneath my feet and up into my legs, just like when I travel on the bus I feel a lot of vibration and shaking.

I know!! If I had an L shaped cutting tool I could poke it though the foam and with tight handle turn it gently to slice away any foam that is directly underneath the base of The Puck.

Other option open to me is to suspend it when I pump in the foam suspend The Puck with wires attached to the armrests and wait until it dries off hard.

Or pump it in and then cut a hole out like, rein-o suggested to me as long as The Puck is placed in tightly and I can always spray a gentle amount around the top of it to make sure its securely placed.

Chapter 12, 17m.12/21s I can feel Charlie's voice and its easy to feel someone else's voice by placing your hand on their shoulder or chest you'll feel lows in your hand and arm.

"Do you want to see the ruins my friend" also felt is when Zane places his hand on the alien/humans chest and pushes him out the elevator. I can this though the armrests and partly the seat back but its not at the same mild pressure when someone does that to, you! If you do it to yourself you know where your hand is going to be placed and its not as threatening as someone, doing it to you!

I have plans to fit a Puck into the seat back with plenty of room its just how? How do I do it without any holes being drilled into the seat back the Puck would be fitted inside as the seat all comes apart.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 05 Sep 2012, 13:32 ]
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Dolby Stereo SR processor arrived about an hour ago in bullet proof packing.

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For its age its in rather fair condition. I've cleaned it up with some kitchen clearer after I took the picture.

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The twin Dolby SR 280T fitted.

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The front security panel unscrews easily for removable of the SR cards.

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Rack space is getting tight so for meantime I've fitted it below the Sony until I get this wired up, somehow I'm not in hurry, but I have to pinch myself as the last time I saw one up close and personal again was at Empire cinema Poole.

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I powered it up earlier but I had to use the lead from the Sony and I'm rather short of 3 pin plugs now so I'll have to buy a few cheap ones.

Author:  rein-o [ 05 Sep 2012, 18:19 ]
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what about using that gray foam in that package for your seat speaker?

Author:  laserbite34 [ 05 Sep 2012, 19:31 ]
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rein-o wrote:
what about using that gray foam in that package for your seat speaker?

Umm, :think: I threw the box out with all the packing inside it! D'oh! Well I might be able to SAVE THE FOAM! SAVE THE FOAM! I 'll have to pull the box out of the wheelie bin.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 05 Sep 2012, 19:52 ]
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I SAVED THE FOAM!

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Author:  rein-o [ 06 Sep 2012, 01:26 ]
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:lol:

good, do you think there is a way to make a hole in the foam and put it under the cushion
of your seat?

Author:  laserbite34 [ 06 Sep 2012, 06:17 ]
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rein-o wrote:
:lol:

good, do you think there is a way to make a hole in the foam and put it under the cushion
of your seat?

I've just woken up after 10 hours sleep and I've been thinking about wiring the SR into the CP65,

As for the foam it might absorb vibration not sure by how much until I try it out. Cutting a small hole into the foam shouldn't be a problem.

I'm thinking also that the foam could make isolation pads with some MDF on top and on the bottom kinder like sandwich with MDF as bread thou I wouldn't advice eating MDF its not worth the Risk. You follow what I mean?

I need to absorb vibration transmission from the stage speakers into the stage that tends to rattle buzz (only at certain frequencies at certain SPL db levels).

But I think the foam is the wrong type it needs to be a bit stiffer and for that its trip down to the foam shop 15mins away.

Author:  rein-o [ 06 Sep 2012, 15:15 ]
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if you used thin foam then it won't absorb too much of the vibration.
but also it will be like the stuff inside of speakers, and it should or could be stronger than without.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 06 Sep 2012, 19:35 ]
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rein-o wrote:
if you used thin foam then it won't absorb too much of the vibration.
but also it will be like the stuff inside of speakers, and it should or could be stronger than without.

The stuff inside is like a fibreglass least inside my 12SR it is. Inside the control 1 its a kinder polyester foam. I'm after a different type.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 07 Sep 2012, 14:12 ]
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I've tried the foam with the expandable to glue it down but...
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Due it resting inside the foam it dances around like Mexican Bean. :mrgreen:
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I've gone back to this way.
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Answer is MDF but I only have 15mm and even thinner one would still present a snag when fitting the seat rest into place it needs to fit as designed. Only way is to make the cut 17" thou it gets narrower as it sinks down into the base of the seat bucket, is to make the cut so I can put it in at angle then push down to jam it in tightly but no guarantee its not going to rattle the seat with noise?

Trail and error.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 08 Sep 2012, 12:07 ]
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A little morning resonate cabinet noise on the centre channel when playing (spot sine wave tones) and its been on my list of things to do for months. The HF horn inside the 12SR rests on plastic beam so that the compression drive wont sag down or bend the horn. So I tried to figure out why it always resonates at mild levels and its not even been pushed to full?

Answer and I hope so was I placed two rubber adhesive pads underneath the compression drive so it will minimize vibration at least in that part of the enclosure. I can't do much if it resonates in front where its mounted but so far its been reduced with lows tones 60Hz to 130Hz and up to 160Hz I might only get resonate vibration off the wood stage, that needs to be tighten up maybe something cheap like a rubber car mat that goes underneath the peddles or rubber door mat! ;)

I didn't take any pictures maybe on the other left/right ones as I'll have to check them though.

Author:  tomtastic [ 14 Sep 2012, 03:47 ]
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My old Sony receiver has this Digital Cinema Sound, very close in wording to Cinema Digital Sound. Probably not quite like the theater version. Funny thing is for 2 Ch sources I always considered this the receiver's best sound setting, specificaly Cinema Studio EX. B

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Note the DVD/LD input selector as they still considered LD to be a usable input format. Bought this new in '02 after my Denon fried. It's still going strong.

Author:  laserbite34 [ 14 Sep 2012, 12:04 ]
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tomtastic :thumbup: keep it running. Some electronic consumers get lucky on some. I think my Yamaha DSR-70 Pro, have last long without problems and I bought a second one 15 so months ago and even that's in working order. The Kenwood KRF-X9050D THX select, has had issues in the past 20 months with dry joints on the soldering. Even the remote buttons feel out sigh :mrgreen: its down to the design and consumer THX BS on some products that doesn't seem to have been tested hard enough!

The Harman Hardon AVP1a THX was priced a little shade over £2grand sometimes under that price and was out of my reach around 1993 but 2011 offers some unique eBay buying opportunities at I think £50.00? Only thing is its missing the remote so I can't access the other menu features on it.

I think the Yamaha RX-V650 is best buy for AUX 8channel input along dts-ES and Dolby-EX but I never use the Dolby-EX on it only the dts-ES-Discrete with the few 6.1-ES titles on DVD. I use the Dolby CP45 for EX as it does a bit more than Dolby EX on consumer AVR's. Also the RX-V650 has a few more inputs for optical all the coaxial are used up!!

I just got a new optical cable 2m that arrived and plugged it into the AVR spare remaining few optical inputs the Yamaha allows me to shuffle inputs around and with Dolby AC-3 connected up and optical for (PCM and dts) I won't have to keep swapping coaxial around on the back of the Pioneer LD player.

I using (2).....MD/CD-R (MD/CD-R) to run the dts raw signal to input DVD on the Yamaha and playing APOLLO 13 dts THX Laserdisc ist the most popular dts title that has slightly worn cover on the sides due to the amount of times its been played but the discs are in fine shape no rot, just nice clear colourful image with rocking dts 6channel mix on chapter 13. :thumbup:

Houston! ...... We got a center engine cut off, go on the other four!
James Lovell, Apollo 13

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