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benmbe
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 24 Feb 2012, 16:49 |
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Good day mlcsmith, I believe I have the original on Japanese version LD, I think I only watched this once and that was many many years ago. When I took delivery of this on LD and watched the movie again, I liked it and glad that I have this in my collection. I didn't know that Mr Lucas had upgraded this aswell. I hope that you are able to get hold of this at a reasonable price, mind you what I call reasonable is classed as to high by others and rightly so I guess. I think I paid around £50 for this but don't quote me. Regards 
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 27 Feb 2012, 09:40 |
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I guess its a few days till March and guess what? I still haven’t seen star wars no its not worthy of uppercase letterheads like original STAR WARS, no this 3-d star wars can just F$&()HJ off I’m not interested in paying to fund it after that ba$tard abomination star wars on bluray!  mlcsmith wrote: hippiedalek wrote: mlcsmith wrote: Whilst I agree that Lucas may have gone too far adjusting the original trilogy, what do you guys think of the update to THX 1138? I actually thought he did a great job updating that. Everything he touched seemed to enhance and even improve that film. I've never actually seen THX 1138 in any form. Why? Because I want to see the film the way it was originally released before I see the enhanced version. As Lucas has made this such a difficult task I've still yet to see the film. Understandable. I have the LD copy on my wishlist, because even though I enjoy the new version I wouldn't mind having the original as well. I can’t say I recall watching the film from start to end as I wasn’t into THX until the late 1989 THX sound system that is  . I brought it cheap on bluray I think it was late last year or was it early this year I can’t remember now oddly enough? I saw something that looked like Willow trolls running around in the underground near towards the end of the film, was that ILM CGI crap? mikeystoyz wrote: I saw star wars in the movie theater in 1977 and I can say without a doubt Han Shot first! Lol I sneaked in with friend during STAR WARS first national week run in mid December we sneaked into gaumont 1 upstairs where it was playing in Dolby Stereo as well as in screen 2 downstairs in Dolby Stereo. I seem to recall Han Shot first then soon after that I had to leave and get home and my friend stayed and watched the rest of STAR WARS for free! I did see STAR WARS again in screen 2 with a group a week later and lining up outside was nuts for months, thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands all wanting their STAR WARS fix! I’m sure star wars 3-d has the same crowds turning up NOT! Films today are rushed in and rushed out of the so called number 1 screen in your area! Films today are like going to McDonalds restaurant, you gobble and leave its the same for cinemas these so called Digital-Hard-Drive-Copies that have been bragging it can play and play and play and play and play...etc without ware RUBBISH! The damn film gets the very least now 2 weeks tops! Rare if its AVATAR and I never saw that at the cinema 3D doesn’t interest me, but it stuck it out for 8 weeks or more.
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 29 Feb 2012, 13:58 |
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“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises, he is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption in our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider in our business. He is part of it. We are not doing him a favor by serving him. He is doing us a favor by giving us an opportunity to do so.” -Gandhi I guess George Lucas has lost me as a customer I'm considering boycotting Red Tails on bluray and DVD. This video reeks of BS so high that you need THX Wings to fly above it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUmXH4Sn ... creen&NR=1
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jjhunsecker
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 02 Mar 2012, 20:07 |
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mikeystoyz wrote: I saw star wars in the movie theater in 1977 and I can say without a doubt Han Shot first! Lol Same here. Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia.
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 02 Mar 2012, 20:15 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: mikeystoyz wrote: I saw star wars in the movie theater in 1977 and I can say without a doubt Han Shot first! Lol Same here. Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia.  Too funny!! 
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 02 Mar 2012, 23:54 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia. And Sebastian Shaw has become an unperson.
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jjhunsecker
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 00:28 |
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hippiedalek wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia. And Sebastian Shaw has become an unperson. That decision is completely illogical! Why are Obi Wan's and Yoda's ghosts old while Vader's is now young? Shouldn't there be consistency? Either they should all look young as spirits or they all should look their respective ages. This one aspect proves that Lucas is slowing descending into madness.
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 10:11 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: hippiedalek wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia. And Sebastian Shaw has become an unperson. That decision is completely illogical! Why are Obi Wan's and Yoda's ghosts old while Vader's is now young? Shouldn't there be consistency? Either they should all look young as spirits or they all should look their respective ages. This one aspect proves that Lucas is slowing descending into madness. Marketing madness. He has stated publicly that if he knew Boba Fett would have become popular he never would have killed him off. Nice, sacrifice story for future profits. That's a true artistic filmmaker. The question in my mind has always been exactly when did he sell out? The fighting he had to go through to get Star Wars made, (yes, the 1977 film, I will NEVER refer to it as a new hope), clearly shows that he must have had some kind of artistic vision. Nobody believed it would even be good. Was it when the profits started rolling in, when he set up Lucasfilm, when the toy sales were able to pay for Empire Strikes Back, when he got divorced, or did he snap when he had to explain the christmas special to Harrison Ford? We'll never know. Ron
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 10:33 |
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ratkins wrote: Marketing madness. He has stated publicly that if he knew Boba Fett would have become popular he never would have killed him off. Nice, sacrifice story for future profits. That's a true artistic filmmaker. The question in my mind has always been exactly when did he sell out? The fighting he had to go through to get Star Wars made, (yes, the 1977 film, I will NEVER refer to it as a new hope), clearly shows that he must have had some kind of artistic vision. Nobody believed it would even be good. Was it when the profits started rolling in, when he set up Lucasfilm, when the toy sales were able to pay for Empire Strikes Back, when he got divorced, or did he snap when he had to explain the christmas special to Harrison Ford? We'll never know.
Ron I think the trouble started with the success of American Graffiti. Until that point Lucas wanted to make films like THX-1138 -- cold, opaque art films that the general public had difficulty understanding. Marcia Lucas urged her husband to make something more accessible to a mass audience, something that they could get more emotionally involved with. George used to argue with her that that type of emotional manipulation was all too easy, but he decided to make American Graffiti to prove to her he could do it. When that film did well I think George saw the light and left the "New Wave" influenced film-making behind. The phenomenal success of Star Wars (1977) must have sealed the deal for good. Scorsese told a story once of showing Lucas a rough cut of his musical New York, New York. Lucas told him that if he added a happy ending, instead of the sad one the film had, he'd add so many more millions to the box office. Scorsese told George that's probably true, but it wouldn't feel right for the story. Or something to that effect. I believe the anecdote is somewhere in the book "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls". New York, New York was release in 1977, so Lucas already had his eye on exploiting audiences' sympathies even back then.
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 03 Mar 2012, 20:33 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: mikeystoyz wrote: I saw star wars in the movie theater in 1977 and I can say without a doubt Han Shot first! Lol Same here. Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia.  nice one  jjhunsecker wrote: hippiedalek wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: Lucas now sounds like O'Brien from Orwell's 1984, claiming Oceania has always been at war with East Asia, when everyone knows that only moments ago it was at war with Eurasia. And Sebastian Shaw has become an unperson. That decision is completely illogical! Why are Obi Wan's and Yoda's ghosts old while Vader's is now young? Shouldn't there be consistency? Either they should all look young as spirits or they all should look their respective ages. This one aspect proves that Lucas is slowing descending into madness.  Did you hear that R2? Lucas has gone over the top with CGI. This is madness. I guess as some of you have no doubt heard Indiana Jones box set bluray comes out near to the end of the year, well lets hope its not a stinker like that bluray star wars box set is! Anyone predicting he'll use the CGI cliff as Indy bumps the Nazis over the cliff? I bet it gets dtsHD-MA rather than Dolby TrueHD as that is what the films where mixed recoded and released in Dolby Stereo and if anyone has seen them in 70MM six-track WOW makes a difference Dolby does. I wonder if the contrast will still be the same as the DVD as it washes out detail on Raiders of the Lost Ark when comparing the Laserdisc to it. The Laserdic looks a bit natural but the framing is on the pi$$ a little bit. So I hope THX doesn't screw it up with DNR and EE and lousy colour balance and video noise like fringing that I noticed on one of the star wars bluray's! Keep it all grainy and gritty because at least I an then say, Its like watching it at the cinema. DNR and EE ruin films from the first moment you notice it. Also isolated score in Dolby digital 5.1 of John Williams score for each film would nice to watch the films afterwards with score only, but I don't see any of the above happening. I bet its rushed out with lousy extras discs that should be two extras discs per film title as I guess there is hours worth in the vaults. http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/nostal ... g-in-fall/
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 06 Mar 2012, 18:39 |
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ratkins wrote: Marketing madness. He has stated publicly that if he knew Boba Fett would have become popular he never would have killed him off. Nice, sacrifice story for future profits. That's a true artistic filmmaker. The question in my mind has always been exactly when did he sell out? The fighting he had to go through to get Star Wars made, (yes, the 1977 film, I will NEVER refer to it as a new hope), clearly shows that he must have had some kind of artistic vision. Nobody believed it would even be good. Was it when the profits started rolling in, when he set up Lucasfilm, when the toy sales were able to pay for Empire Strikes Back, when he got divorced, or did he snap when he had to explain the christmas special to Harrison Ford? We'll never know.
Ron Howard the Duck  lol laserbite34 wrote: I guess as some of you have no doubt heard Indiana Jones box set bluray comes out near to the end of the year, well lets hope its not a stinker like that bluray star wars box set is! http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/nostal ... g-in-fall/I have kinda always considered the Indiana Jones series to be more of Spielberg's baby than Lucas'. Maybe its just wishful thinking, but I'd say after the bad reviews of the most recent Indiana Jones (not to mention the Star Wars Blu-Ray), Spielberg will be reluctant to let Lucas touch the Blu-Ray release, or have much creative control at all in the new film Like i said, probably wishful thinking, but a guy can dream lol.
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 11:02 |
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hippiedalek wrote: With regards to the Indiana Jones franchise I tend to have the unpopular opinion that Crystal Skull wasn't actually that bad, it's not even my least favourite film of the series; I'd take Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom any day. Sure Crystal Skull has the "Nuking the Fridge" scene but it's no less painful to watch than the inflatable boat parachute/sledging scene. The "Nuking the Fridge" scene was actually from an early draft of the Back to the Future script. Marty goes to an Nevada A-bomb test site in order to power up the DeLorean in the original script, and ends up hiding in a fridge when things don't work out. Someone must have remembered it and reused it for Crystal Skull.
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 14:19 |
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hippiedalek wrote: With regards to the Indiana Jones franchise I tend to have the unpopular opinion that Crystal Skull wasn't actually that bad, it's not even my least favourite film of the series; I'd take Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom any day. Sure Crystal Skull has the "Nuking the Fridge" scene but it's no less painful to watch than the inflatable boat parachute/sledging scene. The fridge scene was a load of bollocks. The speed It was travelling at would kill you the moment it hits the ground at what 15 25mile per hour maybe 40MPH you wouldn't survive it, it would be all mashed up into mangled metal. I hardly laughed at the jokes in Crystal of Crap. The opening so American Graffiti like, it was worst Indiana Jones film ever. The John Williams score in that film was the worst in 40 years! It sounded like Frankenstein score that was patched together with bits of War of the Worlds.
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 18:43 |
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laserbite34 wrote: hippiedalek wrote: With regards to the Indiana Jones franchise I tend to have the unpopular opinion that Crystal Skull wasn't actually that bad, it's not even my least favourite film of the series; I'd take Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom any day. Sure Crystal Skull has the "Nuking the Fridge" scene but it's no less painful to watch than the inflatable boat parachute/sledging scene. The fridge scene was a load of bollocks. The speed It was travelling at would kill you the moment it hits the ground at what 15 25mile per hour maybe 40MPH you wouldn't survive it, it would be all mashed up into mangled metal. I hardly laughed at the jokes in Crystal of Crap. The opening so American Graffiti like, it was worst Indiana Jones film ever. The John Williams score in that film was the worst in 40 years! It sounded like Frankenstein score that was patched together with bits of War of the Worlds. I told you I had an unpopular point of view, each to their own though : ) Though to illustrate my point about Temple of Doom: Quote: The rubber boat scene was a load of bollocks. The speed It was travelling at would kill you the moment it hits the ground at what 15 25mile per hour maybe 40MPH you wouldn't survive it, it would be all mashed up into mangled rubber. There are certainly plenty of reasons to dislike the film, but most of them I find are the same reasons I dislike Temple of Doom. Like I say thought...each to their own opinion...unless it's Lucas and his opinion on Star Wars...in which case he's wrong.
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 07 Mar 2012, 18:46 |
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hippiedalek wrote: With regards to the Indiana Jones franchise I tend to have the unpopular opinion that Crystal Skull wasn't actually that bad, it's not even my least favourite film of the series; I'd take Crystal Skull over Temple of Doom any day. Sure Crystal Skull has the "Nuking the Fridge" scene but it's no less painful to watch than the inflatable boat parachute/sledging scene. I felt kinda the same way when I saw it but there was something wrong I couldn't put my finger on. I assumed it was just because I was older but then I saw the new redlettermedia review of Crystal Skull and it makes perfect sense. These are the same guys that did the prequel reviews and it's great the way he breaks down the elements of the original trilogy and why the new one just doesn't fit. I've seen the new Raiders restoration twice now. Once at the Academy theater with a panel that included Gary Marshal and Ben Burtt and another with Spielberg and Ford. It looks wonderful! I didn't see anything new done to it except that you cannot see the glass between Indy and the cobra now. I've said before I would not buy the Star Wars blu, but I'm totally in for the Indy box even though after watching that review I will probably never watch Crystal Skull again. Ron
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 11 Mar 2012, 01:54 |
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mlcsmith wrote: The funny thing about Indy is that if you don't buy the fridge scene, how is it that you can accept melting people or live heart removal or flipping bikes (which Mythbusters proved isn't possible). The whole series is fantastical. The only thing that bothered me was the CGI didn't appeal to me as much as the practical effects and miniatures in the originals. I think the other word for it would be "suspension of disbelief". 
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Post subject: Re: Now you're just messing with us, Lucas....  Posted: 11 Mar 2012, 01:56 |
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firehorse_44 wrote: laserbite34 - Many thanks for that profound quote by Mahatma Gandhi !!! I think its a valid and truthful quote. 
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