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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 12 Mar 2012, 15:27 
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That was already predicted 70 years ago in the Bugs Bunny cartoon The Old Gray Hare. A newspaper headline claims that in the year 2000 "Smellevision Replaces Television: Carl Stalling Sez, 'It'll Never Work!'" (Carl Stalling was the musical director and composer on the Looney Tunes cartoons.)
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I guess some people have been working on Smell-O-Vision for some time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smell-O-Vision

The "I-Smell" is listed as one of the 25 Worst Tech Products of All Time. Had it made its way out of the prototype stage it would have sprayed smells at you depending on the website you went to (make sure you never go to a website on farting or sewage treatment!)

If that idea failed to make waves, I can't see how the same idea would work for TV!
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 13 Mar 2012, 00:03 
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 13 Mar 2012, 22:37 
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ucfmatt -> i'm sorry to be rude but you seems to stop thinking like a child (^-^) where is your imagination?
Nowadays movies aren't just "rapid series of snapshots" like they where in the 1880s. People were the same as you when sounds et speaking where added to images. Then color, extended ratio, 3d, spatialized sound, numeric formats, interactive menu, hi definition, another 3d system, internet linked bonuses... I surely forgot a lot. As an example, I tought numeric sound will be avaible in 2010 but we still have hybrid rendering with A/N conversions before speakers.

Or you could think we have 5 sensorial way to be immerged in a movie. Will they be used by cineast? I've read (in a french scientific paper for kids) few years ago what mlcsmith said (about smell-o-vision) and the difficulty of rendering for an entire theater. Maybe like elahrairrah said neuronal interfaces will be used instead of plenty of sensorial interfaces.
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PostPosted: 13 Mar 2012, 23:30 
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I tought numeric sound will be avaible in 2010 but we still have hybrid rendering with A/N conversions before speakers.

I'm not familiar with numerical sound, is that sound synthesis?

I think they'll always find some way to change the experience, if all else fails they'll just increase the resolution.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 14 Mar 2012, 09:30 
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I could'nt figure because it's still experimental, i just read an article some years ago of two men (research in lab) which have built a numeric amplificator. The problem was there stil were a conversion from numeric to analogic signal at some point (surely for speakers, it does not work another way).
Both ingeneers said sound were particularly clear and better than another amplificator (it may be a partial point of vue ;-) ) thanks to perfect distribution from source support to the amp (aka without loss due to conversion). I'll try to find this article as my explanation may not be accurate.

However, i tried to say that the hybridation includes problems by itself, we should use all-analogic or all-numeric sytems even it is impossible for the moment.

EDIT: Whoa! I didn't know good numeric amp were already avaible for customers ! I did not find the article i searched but some very interesting forum threads (sorry, it's in french) :
http://www.audiophilefr.com/Site/consei ... erique.htm (an electronic comparison with oscilloscopes, in 2005)
http://www.audiophilefr.com/Site/forum2 ... t6764.html (a hear-based comparison of two very good amps, in 2005 too)

I guess i should learn more about that but it seems very good numeric amplificators are still just good compared to analog amp (with or without vacuum tubes)
  
 
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PostPosted: 19 Mar 2012, 10:49 
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momotte- thanks for the links,very interesting.
No one mentioned WONKA-VISION........LoL.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 21 Mar 2012, 20:03 
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ucfmatt -> i'm sorry to be rude but you seems to stop thinking like a child (^-^) where is your imagination?
Nowadays movies aren't just "rapid series of snapshots" like they where in the 1880s. People were the same as you when sounds et speaking where added to images. Then color, extended ratio, 3d, spatialized sound, numeric formats, interactive menu, hi definition, another 3d system, internet linked bonuses... I surely forgot a lot. As an example, I tought numeric sound will be avaible in 2010 but we still have hybrid rendering with A/N conversions before speakers.

Or you could think we have 5 sensorial way to be immerged in a movie. Will they be used by cineast? I've read (in a french scientific paper for kids) few years ago what mlcsmith said (about smell-o-vision) and the difficulty of rendering for an entire theater. Maybe like elahrairrah said neuronal interfaces will be used instead of plenty of sensorial interfaces.
It will never end, nothing is more constant than change ^^


You have to remember that home video is a relatively new concept compared with how long movies have been around. Each sucessive generation of home video formats have strived to come as close as possible to recreating the cinema experience at home. VHS/Beta, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu Ray. Each one has gotten closer and closer until now when for all intents and purposes Blu-Ray is about as close as we're going to get, even preferable in some cases. There isn't anything really novel that's happing in theaters that Blu won't be able to reproduce at home, so where is there to go? Blu ray can already do 3D, if the increased frame rate catches on then I'm sure it can do that as well. Then consider that it's taking significantly longer for Blu-Ray to really become mainstream than DVD so it's a tough sell to convice consumers to upgrade when they haven't even made the previous one.

I'd love to imagine all the possiblities for the future of movies, but in the short term future I don't see any new format for awhile.
  
 
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The new-er format will be analog video on disc. Imagine that. :o
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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012, 00:43 
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There calling the next generation Super Hi Vision in japan for right now at least
  
 
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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012, 07:51 
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aheffner9268 wrote:
There calling the next generation Super Hi Vision in japan for right now at least

I just looked that up, it's an 8K format apparently on a level with IMAX. I can't ever see anyone needing such high resolution in the home, even with a projector you probably wouldn't have a wall big enough.

One interesting note I read about it is that the BBC are going to be trialling it during the Olympics...I just hope I don't have to look at that awful logo in ultra high definition.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012, 21:58 
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I read that you will need a minimum of 65" TV to even tell the slightest bit of difference from 1080P. Probaly why sharp and others are developing 80" - 105" flat panel screens, for this UHD technology.
  
 
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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2012, 22:34 
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aheffner9268 wrote:
I read that you will need a minimum of 65" TV to even tell the slightest bit of difference from 1080P...


I wouldn't trust anything else you read from that source. The ability to tell the difference between differing resolutions is a function of both screen size & viewing distance. Here's a cool chart:

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You can see that on your average 50" set that 1080p doesn't start to become distinguishable until you get withing ~7 feet or so. On a 65" the difference would still be noticeable at 10+ feet.
  
 
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PostPosted: 06 Apr 2012, 12:52 
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Here we go, here we go again sigh. This bluray HD format is becoming a joke. Yeah scam consumers for years while rich a$$, Hollywood young and old farts drive around in fancy cars.

Doesn’t anyone here hate snobs in the industry? This is all just one crocked bent scam to make sick dirty money for these filthy rich b*****ds to put fuel in their snob shameless cars and drive around all day burning fuel up on our expense!

I doubt most of the crappy top all time films will get proper brightness to colour balance doesn’t matter if its Super VHS it will still look like crap! I rate a film not on resolution but colour balance get that right or standardized on bluray and I might just consider taking bluray serious again. Only a few only a few I have look correct the rest are good-enough for the rubbish bin! Then mailed to rich a$$ snobs office and dumped on his, desk with the odd rat crawling around on stale pile of fish & chips of 6 weeks ago.

Yes I’m f$&^king :evil: offended at being ripped off and they should give these next generation titles away for FREE as we already have it on VHS Beta Laserdisc DVD HD-DVD and sigh bluray! Enough is enough of the scamming the consumers!
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2012, 19:52 
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Here we go, here we go again sigh. This bluray HD format is becoming a joke. Yeah scam consumers for years while rich a$$, Hollywood young and old farts drive around in fancy cars.

Doesn’t anyone here hate snobs in the industry? This is all just one crocked bent scam to make sick dirty money for these filthy rich b*****ds to put fuel in their snob shameless cars and drive around all day burning fuel up on our expense!

I doubt most of the crappy top all time films will get proper brightness to colour balance doesn’t matter if its Super VHS it will still look like crap! I rate a film not on resolution but colour balance get that right or standardized on bluray and I might just consider taking bluray serious again. Only a few only a few I have look correct the rest are good-enough for the rubbish bin! Then mailed to rich a$$ snobs office and dumped on his, desk with the odd rat crawling around on stale pile of fish & chips of 6 weeks ago.

Yes I’m f$&^king :evil: offended at being ripped off and they should give these next generation titles away for FREE as we already have it on VHS Beta Laserdisc DVD HD-DVD and sigh bluray! Enough is enough of the scamming the consumers!

It seems like your anger is misplaced. It's mostly Japanese electronics corporations that developed and promoted the new home video formats and equipment. The "rich a$$ Hollywood snobs" had nothing to do with it. They just decide whether or not to release their products on these new formats. (They also have little to do with the remastering of their films on those new formats, as that job is outsourced to other companies.) The consumer is free to reject any of these home video choices.
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 Post subject: Re: Whats after hi-def and 3d?
PostPosted: 09 Apr 2012, 01:04 
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well if you really think about it the real rich don't own anything other than islands, boats, planes, sports cars, mansions and more.
they don't bother with these small time issues like we do, we are the ones spending our money on new releases of the same films.
we've all seen programs of the rich and famous, do you see the tromp man with any electronics?? no it's all gold walls.
do you see cribs with any old electronics other than rob zombie, no it's all new giant flat screens with new game systems hooked up.

it's not just Japan it's people like cameron, lucas and other who keep releasing films with new upgraded crap.

what would have happened if picasso went into a museum and said "hey i messed this up i'm going to take it off the wall and fix it"

i don't think anybody would have let him, it's a piece made in history, it was done to the best of the ablity at the time leave it.
stop making new formats, OR stop buying them.
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well if you really think about it the real rich don't own anything other than islands, boats, planes, sports cars, mansions and more.
they don't bother with these small time issues like we do, we are the ones spending our money on new releases of the same films.
we've all seen programs of the rich and famous, do you see the tromp man with any electronics?? no it's all gold walls.
do you see cribs with any old electronics other than rob zombie, no it's all new giant flat screens with new game systems hooked up.

it's not just Japan it's people like cameron, lucas and other who keep releasing films with new upgraded crap.

what would have happened if picasso went into a museum and said "hey i messed this up i'm going to take it off the wall and fix it"

i don't think anybody would have let him, it's a piece made in history, it was done to the best of the ablity at the time leave it.
stop making new formats, OR stop buying them.

I also find the changes Lucas and Cameron made to their movies annoying, but it's a separate issue from new video formats. If these directors would also include a pristine copy of the original theatrical versions on Blu-ray, along with their new versions, then I'd have no problems with them. I have the Blu-ray of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, which includes several versions of the movie, as well as the 5 disc Blade Runner box set. I bought the recent BD release of The French Connection because it contains the original color palate, as opposed to the washed out one William Friedkin oversaw earlier.

As long as the new video formats are an improvement over the last one I'll buy it.
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PostPosted: 09 Apr 2012, 16:27 
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Hello Guys,

I agree with jjhunsecker and laserbite34 to some degree.

Not all Blu-rays are giving the consumer the best that it can be ''for what should ultimately be the best way to treat any new and better format.''

I must admit that I am very selective about the titles I purchase on Blu-ray, and to be honest I have actually crushed about three blu-rays within the last year alone, because I wasn't impressed by the story or picture.

Cars 2 also has audio crackles, pops so I shall be purchasing the US version of this at some stage.

Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz Knight and Day pixelated that badly that it was unwatchable, and so this got crushed aswell.

The player was not at fault as it is the Pioneer reference LX 91 and is fully upgraded with the latest firware upgrades.

I am not that impressed with how the Blu-ray format has not been given the best treatment, and am especially disapointed with the European region B. . . . . .too many languages, adverts none related to movies at all, and the packaging is inferior to their US and Japanese counterparts.

I will be purchasing a multi region Blu-ray player at some stage and shall purchase titles from the US and Japan only, as I have never been totally happy with the European product.

Regards to all

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