Tat you've bought to clutter your home with (Reprise)

elahrairrah · Posted: 01 Dec 2022, 18:32

signofzeta wrote:

elahrairrah wrote:

confederate wrote:

I bought a new DAC yesterday. Actually it is a Technics CD/SACD player with network capabilities ( Tidal/Spotify/USB playback/internet radio ). It contains
a high quality DAC and I only read very good things about it. It cost me 2500 € and in my opinion it was worth every penny.
The internal DAC is a hundred times better than the one inside my Denon AV receiver. I have never heard CDs and FLAC files with such extreme accuracy
and depth and detail. I have played a lot of music since yesterday and this does not sound any worse than my record player. In fact I am starting to like it
more. It has the depth that I knew from my record player and doesn't have the flat sound then I knew from my all my previous DACs. It sounds absolutely
fantastic and better than expected.
One of the reasons I bought this thing is because I am starting to get tired of the vinyl hype. I used to buy good albums for 40 € upwards and I simply refuse
to pay this amount of money for a single album. What is the point in buying new vinyl that was mastered using digital wav files pressed onto vinyl ?
I bought a lot of CDs for 1 € each at the local flea market and they sound absolutely magnificent on this player.
Anyway this was a very good investment and it also has a digital input ( coax / spdif ) so I can connect my laserdisc player to it which is great, too.

I feel the same way about new albums coming out on vinyl. Really no point since it's all digital. Only vinyl I buy these days are old 12" singles.

Please explain why, in technical terms, not religious ones, why it matters if the master for the LP is digital. It seems a lot of people feel this way but it makes zero sense to me.

Without going down the rabbit hole of a "CD vs Vinyl" debate, I just feel that if a new album is coming out on both CD and vinyl both from a same digital master I don't see the point of getting it on vinyl over the CD. Especially since the CD will be cheaper.

signofzeta · Posted: 01 Dec 2022, 21:16

But WHY? Why is the record less of a thing because the master is digital? Why does it have to be an all analog path, as Rein-O says? What relevance is that? Why is the CD perfectly logical just because it’s digital? Doesn’t it matter than CD is lower quality than any professional master nowadays? You can downconvert 24 bit 96khz digital down to redbook and that’s perfectly fine but you think you’ll hear deficits in the master on the LP? What?

To be clear, I’m not trying to talk ANYONE into record collecting and I love both LP and CD. Just got one of each in the mail the other day.

rein-o · Posted: 01 Dec 2022, 21:56

Uh oh do I hear my name :lol:

rcarlson · Posted: 05 Dec 2022, 07:15

As long as the source has a sufficiently higher quality ceiling than vinyl (which even CDs do and it's not close), it will make a negligible difference whether that source is digital or analog, assuming a competent production either way. A digital source isn't going to make the groove on the record "blocky" or anything like that. The imprecision in digital-to-analog conversion is no more deleterious to sound quality than the imprecision of analog-to-vinyl-groove conversion. If folks just don't trust digital masters to not be loudness-war'd to death, I can understand that, but it's pure myth that there's anything categorically better about a 100% analog production process.

If it's just a matter of "authenticity," that's in the eye of the beholder, I suppose. But it's authenticity that exists in your head, not in your ears.

signofzeta · Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 14:46

It’s like comparing 70mm to 35mm film sources when you’re watching Laserdisc. If everyone did their job it should be impossible to tell because Laserdisc is way way below the resolution of either.

rein-o · Posted: 06 Dec 2022, 17:48

Look if you have millie vanillie on the original CD and original vinyl and think the vinyl sounds better when it was recorded as an ADD
and now have the new digital file on vinyl and think it sounds better than the original you really need to find a new hobby/job as you are so
fine tuned you need to use that for the better good of the carbon unit.

therussian · Posted: 12 Dec 2022, 22:16

Fresh from Japan, one of my favourite soundtracks.

jakeheke · Posted: 15 Dec 2022, 18:34

Had a member contact me here.
He had signed up to LDDB to find someone in New Zealand who would like his original LaserDisc collection,
His player no longer works unfortunately. I was the only 'Active' member he could see from New Zealand so lucky me :crazy:

Anyway after paying for postage from a local village these boxes arrived to clutter my home:

signofzeta · Posted: 15 Dec 2022, 18:46

rein-o wrote:

Look if you have millie vanillie on the original CD and original vinyl and think the vinyl sounds better when it was recorded as an ADD
and now have the new digital file on vinyl and think it sounds better than the original you really need to find a new hobby/job as you are so
fine tuned you need to use that for the better good of the carbon unit.

You lost me there.

laserfanhld-gb · Posted: 15 Dec 2022, 19:18

jakeheke wrote:

Had a member contact me here.
He had signed up to LDDB to find someone in New Zealand who would like his original LaserDisc collection,
His player no longer works unfortunately. I was the only 'Active' member he could see from New Zealand so lucky me :crazy:

Anyway after paying for postage from a local village these boxes arrived to clutter my home:

I’m sure you’ll have great fun sifting through that little lot jakeheke, you never know there may be a valuable gem or two tucked away :thumbup:

rcarlson · Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 05:46

rein-o wrote:

Look if you have millie vanillie on the original CD and original vinyl and think the vinyl sounds better when it was recorded as an ADD
and now have the new digital file on vinyl and think it sounds better than the original you really need to find a new hobby/job as you are so
fine tuned you need to use that for the better good of the carbon unit.

It's really not clear what stance you're arguing for or against. We were saying that no, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and that's why there's no point in getting up in arms about digital vs. analog masters for vinyl records: vinyl records aren't high enough fidelity to preserve any perceivable difference between a good analog master and a good digital master. And there isn't a "digital file on vinyl." It's still an analog waveform represented by a groove in a disk. The only difference is that the master copy of that waveform was converted to analog from a digital file.

confederate · Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 21:58

jakeheke wrote:

Had a member contact me here.
He had signed up to LDDB to find someone in New Zealand who would like his original LaserDisc collection,
His player no longer works unfortunately. I was the only 'Active' member he could see from New Zealand so lucky me :crazy:

Anyway after paying for postage from a local village these boxes arrived to clutter my home:

That is a really nice story and a nice guy!

How far away does this guy live from you ?

jakeheke · Posted: 16 Dec 2022, 22:04

New Zealand is small. From a village on the other island

tasuke · Posted: 17 Dec 2022, 17:01

A Combined Tribute to my Space-Cadet Childhood;

having typically-1980's parents with visions of their kid becoming an Astronaut someday,
my mom got me numerous NASA-themed toys such as the 1985 CABBAGE PATCH KIDS "YOUNG ASTRONAUTS" Doll,
and my plastic-modeller dad building numerous NASA and Sci-Fi model kits to decorate my room up with,
all through my early-childhood of about 1985 through around 1991/1992;

therussian · Posted: 25 Dec 2022, 15:34

My Christmas presents. Pretty good haul.

therussian · Posted: 25 Dec 2022, 15:34

Purchased my second watch. Went for a true movie star. A Seiko Arnie.

gypsy · Posted: 30 Dec 2022, 19:27

Get wild and tough.

xtempo · Posted: 31 Dec 2022, 21:31

pumpkin head and vertical laptop stand will be getting my new Billy shelf tomorrow and post some pics

xtempo · Posted: 01 Jan 2023, 19:56

got it and its a great way to start the new year

therussian · Posted: 24 Jan 2023, 16:40

Received new addition to my stereo system. A Denon minidisc deck fresh from Japan.

Now with the new netMD software I can put music from my modern computer to discs using my netMD players and play them back on my stereo.

Tat you've bought to clutter your home with (Reprise)

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