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What is your favorite Sherlock Holmes on laserdisc?

I have always been a fan of Sherlock Holmes, but then, who isn't? My friend even got me started watching Star Trek: The Next Generation because of Data/Sherlock.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Sherlock Holmes, but I have read all the stories. If you've not seen it already then I highly recommend Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, The: Special Edition (1970) [ID7413MG]. Although it's not based on a specific Arthur Conan Doyle story I think they got most of the characters spot on, and it was certainly an inspiration for the recent modern day BBC series.
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I really like Holmes a lot. I’ve read all the official stories and a few of the better unofficial ones like The Italian Secretary.

Off the top of my head I can’t say I really feel strongly about any TV or film version of Holmes though. Of course the Basil ones are decent, sadly the Matt Frewer one is horrible. I have Mr Holmes on DVD but have never watched it for some reason.
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Not related to original Holmes saga

However.....
"Sherlock Holmes Smarter Brother" starring Gene Wilder / Marty Feldman / Dom DeLuise / Madeleine Khan and more....
One of the funniest movies ever made imo.....

It was issued on CED ....
Wished it had a Japanese issue.

If anyone gets a chance .... check it out ! ! !

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I forgot that Wilder was a fencer before actor and had some great form in the film, only watched about 20 minutes and didn't have time to finish the film.
Always on my list as there is an odd film channel on roku that shows stuff for free that should be pay.
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hippiedalek wrote:
I'm not the biggest fan of Sherlock Holmes, but I have read all the stories. If you've not seen it already then I highly recommend Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, The: Special Edition (1970) [ID7413MG]. Although it's not based on a specific Arthur Conan Doyle story I think they got most of the characters spot on, and it was certainly an inspiration for the recent modern day BBC series.


On the contrary, the depiction of Holmes and Watson in Private Life are atypical. They even state more than once in the film that many of Holmes' famous traits are fabrications by Watson for his stories. Personally, I also thought Holmes was too whiny and Watson too outrageous. Holmes berating Mrs. Hudson? Watson shouting and angry repeatedly? Even Mrs. Hudson waving a gun around, really. :roll: More importantly, Sherlock is about the equivalent of a TV detective here. He solves part of the case (it's not a really difficult mystery) but for the biggest part of it, he is clueless; Mycroft has to explain it plainly to him, with Watson being left to believe it was Sherlock that solved it. More, Sherlock never demonstrates his amazing powers of observation, those traits apparently also only created for Watson's stories. Overall, disappointing.

*** spoiler alert ***

If you haven't seen The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes and plan to do so, DO NOT look at the laserdisc cover as it includes a major spoiler. It is a fantastic cover artwork, otherwise.


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Not related to original Holmes saga

However.....
"Sherlock Holmes Smarter Brother" starring Gene Wilder / Marty Feldman / Dom DeLuise / Madeleine Khan and more....
One of the funniest movies ever made imo.....

It was issued on CED ....
Wished it had a Japanese issue.

If anyone gets a chance .... check it out ! ! !

Cheers Mates


Yes, that movie is hilarious! The main cast is awesome and there are lots of funny bits like the Albert Finney cameo. And the "Sheer Luck" comment, funny also because Sir Arthur Conan Doyle created Sherlock to be unlike other detectives at the time that relied on luck to solve cases. I have seen it on television. I did see the laserdisc for sale in someone's collection once but it was PAL video so I passed on it.

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I forgot that Wilder was a fencer before actor and had some great form in the film, only watched about 20 minutes and didn't have time to finish the film.
Always on my list as there is an odd film channel on roku that shows stuff for free that should be pay.


I did not know Wilder was a fencer, interesting. He does a great job here. The final battle against Moriarity (The Prisoner's Leo McKern) is very under-rated amongst famous movie sword fights.

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I am not sure which Holmes on laserdisc is my favorite. I have some of the Jeremy Brett stuff which is very good because it's so faithful to the books and definitely has the best depiction of Dr. Watson. I really like The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes with Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce. Rathbone is an excellent Holmes and although Bruce's bumbling Watson isn't accurate to the books, the chemistry between the two just seems right. I also kind of like the animated Peter O'Toole stories because they stay relatively close to the source material and O'Toole gives a solid performance, though some of the supporting characters are almost annoyingly acted out.

My favorite Rathbone Sherlock doesn't seem to be on laserdisc, though. I'm talking about the excellent Sherlock Holmes vs. Spider-Woman. I keep hoping that I will find out it's part of some classic collection or under a different title but no luck so far. It's got some great action, mystery, disguises, and even comedy. Nigel Bruce's Watson is probably at his most competent in this story, too.
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For some reason I forgot that I have Meitantei Holmes (Famous Detective Holmes): The Movie (1983) [TKLO-50056] and Meitantei Holmes (Famous Detective Holmes): Memorial Box (1984) [TKLO-50023]. This is easily my favorite Holmes on film, although *highly* liberal in its treatment…they are all dogs, for example, and Mrs Hudson is an all purpose Miyazaki heroine. The animation is super good for TV anime but it won’t really do a lot for most Holmes fans. It’s just a kids show, wholesome stuff. For 80s anime fans, people interested in the pre-Ghibli days, etc I highly recommend it.
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Oh! How could I forget Young Sherlock Holmes? Although it's an alternate history (Holmes and Watson never met as kids in the books), they are a great pair in this movie that you could believe grew up to be the adults. I also enjoyed the mystery.

I am not really a fan of talking animal movies but I've heard good things about The Great Mouse Detective. It's on my list of laserdiscs to buy if I ever see it, actually.

Star Trek: The Next Generation episode, Elementary Dear Data, got me into watching the show. I was not overwhelmed by the sci-fi story though there is one scene where Data (as Holmes) solves a "murder" on the holodeck that is classic Holmes. I really enjoyed that part of the story.
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Meitantei Holmes/Sherlock Hound is way better than the Great Mouse Detective. The Disney one is just...loud and cheap. I wanted it to be good but its just OK.

Another one I forgot that I have owned and loved forever Firesign Theatre - The Tale of the Giant Rat of Sumatra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXHcSBhfkx8 (audio only).
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Would the 80's GRANADA TV series be eligible?

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 Post subject: Re: Favorite Sherlock Holmes on laserdisc?
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Would the 80's GRANADA TV series be eligible?


Most definitely, those are the gold standard for Sherlock on laserdisc. For me, the only real rival would be the Basil Rathbone movies; there is a version of "Hound of the Baskervilles" for both for the most direct comparison. I think there are several other adaptations of this story on laserdisc, actually.

It's weird to me that they only released that English television series in Japan.
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Until the DVD era there were almost no “complete series” of TV shows outside of Japanese LD. Americans simply would not pay the prices being asked back then.
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This past week, my friend and I watched four adaptations of The Hound of the Baskervilles on laserdisc. I think we only missed one that is only available in PAL. I had previously seen all of them in years past except for the one with Peter Cushing as Sherlock, which I had never seen before. I have never watched four different adaptations in a short time but it was actually interesting as we talked about what was included, added, or left out. Our final ranking, from best to worst:

1. Basil Rathbone's version
2. Jeremy Brett's version (a very close second)
3. Peter O'Toole's version
4. Peter Cushing's version

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Rathbone's version is the best. His Sherlock is the only one to don a disguise and it's a great one, too.
He is always great with disguises in his Sherlock movies; I think only Clayton Moore's old prospector disguise in The Lone Ranger rivals it. It's just fun to watch. And not once but twice, someone else claims to be Sherlock which is also just great humor (the book only has it once). Oddly, the part where Holmes & Watson following the carriage in London includes a murder attempt with a pistol (not in the book) but it does add some excitement, at least. This movie also has the best hound, a real large dog that looks truly menacing when Stapleton releases him from his confinement.iThere is no phosphour for the hound but I imagine it would be hard to do in Black & White. And Sir Henry really has to battle this hound, well done! The only poor part of this movie is the added seance scene (which is not in the book) and is boring. Oh yeah, and Watson has totally the wrong kind of pistol.

Brett's version is also really well done. It's the only one to include the part in the beginning with Watson saying Holmes must have eyes in the back of his head. It's a fairly faithful adaptation of the book though it leaves out the amusing bit of someone claiming to be Sherlock. I don't think this was Brett's best Sherlock, he looked a little overweight actually. The way they did the hound was frustrating. It had the green phosphour effect which was okay but not great. But it looked ridiculous attacking Sir Henry, clearly a fake dog head. Worse, the hound's growl was obviously a person doing a poor growling raspberry! We howled with laughter at this! Embarrassing. At least Watson's revolver was the right type here. They added a character and also lobotomized the convict Selden for some reason which seemed unnecessary. And while the locations in this adaptation can be brilliant, this is the only of the four that does not include a flashback to Sir Hugo and the origins of the curse. I know it was just read aloud in the book but I think it's much better to see it when it's a movie.

O'Toole's version is also a very close adaptation to the book. The animation is typical Seventies Saturday morning animation, a little better than Superfriends/Scooby Doo but not as good as Jonny Quest. Visually, this is the best hound, glowing outlines and very menacing for that style of animation. The hounds sound is odd, though, a mix of a large wild cat and dog; it would sound good if it wasn't supposed to be a hound. I really liked how when they are firing at it, Holmes says if they can wound it they can kill it. That is right from the book and the only adaptation to include it. They also included the book version of someone pretending to be Sherlock. I would also say this adaptation is the only one to lay enough clues similar to the book for the viewer to deduce all of the plot elements correctly. And this is the only version to include Inspector Lestrade like in the book.

Cushing's version is troubling in many ways. Look, I like Peter Cushing. Maybe I am falling for the type-casting thing but he just seems wrong for Holmes. For one thing, he just seems too small compared to everyone else. I kept think that Christopher Lee (who plays Sir Henry) would have made a better Sherlock. Then there is the weird take on the already strange Stapletons -- rather than a married couple pretending to be siblings, here they are evil father and eviler daughter. Plus, their hound is not covered in phosphorous, instead it's wearing some kind of weird headpiece. Again, they use a fake dog head for Sir Henry to battle and it looks silly. This is the only adaptation I would say to skip, there is nothing really interesting in this one.

The one part that none of them got right was the initial reaction of Sherlock Holmes to the hound. I still have a clear memory of reading the story as a kid. This was the first story I had read where Holmes was shocked and surprised, if even for a moment. It's my all-time favorite passage from Sherlock Holmes. O'Toole's version is perhaps the closest to getting this part right but not really. Still, the first three on my list are definitely worth checking out!
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