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mukewarrah
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Post subject: Re: Will all our laserdiscs go bad over time?  Posted: 27 Jan 2026, 16:13 |
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I would argue no, they won't go bad over time. At least within several lifetimes.
To understand my reasoning, we need to understand how (most) discs store data. Most optical media stores data by using a layer of dye sandwiched between two polycarbonate layers. The dye material is manipulated by a laser to represent and store data. Very early discs (post-LD) used an organic dye layer. By the year 2000, all reputable manufacturers migrated to using a synthetic dye layer. The reason most (very early) optical media was subject to data rot is because early discs stored data in an organic dye. Modern (2000>*) discs made from reputable manufacturers (primarily Verbatim, Sony and Memorex) used an inorganic dye. The organic dye material used on older optical media was essentially biodegradable. If these shoddy discs were stored in poor conditions with high humidity, direct sunlight, etc. they would begin to rot from the inside out. The majority of discs manufactured after ~2000-2005 had already migrated their manufacturing techniques to strictly create discs using the synthetic dye material. At this point, for data rot to occur, you'd have to be using cheap dollar store blanks. Data rot on discs using a synthetic dye material is such a statistical anomaly I consider it to be a myth. I have CDs and DVDs from the 90s that fire right up every single time. The only rot I have ever experienced on optical media were from China's highest quality bambooseum CD blanks.
LDs, on the other hand, do not use any dye layers. They are sheets of stamped metal (aluminum) sandwiched between acrylic, polycarbonate, or glass. Aluminum is extremely resistant to oxidization, even when exposed to the elements. In our case, the aluminum is essentially suspended in resin, away from the elements and moisture of the air. In theory, LDs may be second to M discs in terms of longevity.
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Post subject: Re: Will all our laserdiscs go bad over time?  Posted: 28 Jan 2026, 09:10 |
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mukewarrah wrote: The majority of discs manufactured after ~2000-2005 had already migrated their manufacturing techniques to strictly create discs using the synthetic dye material. At this point, for data rot to occur, you'd have to be using cheap dollar store blanks. Blanks? Your whole explanation is about CD-Rs and DVD-Rs. Didn't know you had a LaserDisc recorder at home. My whole collection of HDDVDs beg to differ with you => they mostly died from rot/oxidation and we're talking 2006~2008. Julien
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Will all our laserdiscs go bad over time?  Posted: 30 May 2026, 15:54 |
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While I've never had any cracked DVDs, I have had very tight center holders on DVDs and try to make them smaller so it will come out easier. Mostly these are from HK import DVDs with those tray cases, some USA series with tray cases too have them. Some of these tighter trays make it harder to get the DVDs out and I'm scared of breaking the discs. signofzeta wrote: Recently I went to play a DVD, the US version of the 2009 Mazinger Z reboot (Shin or The Impact) which is a show I absolutely love. The player rejected it. I looked closely at the disc and found it was cracked, in a straight line from the hole and about an inch inward, essentially cutting the TOC area and more in two. This is why it didn’t play.
I thought maybe it cracked as I was removing it from the case but the case is one that let’s go pretty easily. I looked at the other three DVDs…disc 3 and 4 were fine but disc 2 was cracked the same way before I even took it out. The show has been watched through just once back when it was released. It played fine and went back into the case where it has sat in the same cool dry room with 100 other DVDs that play fine for years. The stuff just…exploded for no reason at some point.
So no, I’m not worried about my LDs. Certainly not any more than any other format.
Also I’m looking for any other pressing of this show because mine is deader than an LD sandwich made out of two Erasers and a Dante’s Peak.
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Post subject: Re: Will all our laserdiscs go bad over time?  Posted: 31 May 2026, 04:23 |
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jesuslovesgood wrote: It might be the first laserdisc that I've realized went bad over time. I can understand this well. In the late 1980s when I was buying laser discs (new) and being very fanatical about their quality, I got one or more with the "vertically rolling snow bar" that was the hallmark of bad discs then. Of course I always exchanged those for good copies. At some point, perhaps 1997 or later, I found my first --existing-- disc that now had rot on one side.  It was "Styx - Caught In The Act". I found and bought a replacement on Ebay at a reasonable price. And because this, like many or most (all?) Pioneer Music titles, had been re-released later with Digital Sound, I made sure to get that version.
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Post subject: Re: Will all our laserdiscs go bad over time?  Posted: 03 Jun 2026, 17:49 |
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elieb wrote: i've already noticed some decay or in this case, skipping. my copy of the ultimate OZ has playback issues. How long have you owned it?
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