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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 22 Oct 2011, 21:55 |
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Panasonic 37" Viera LCD. I adjusted the viewing settings for LD (darker cinema setting). Standard high quality analog video cables have always worked well for me. For sound I'm using a home theater Yamaha RX-V690 receiver with Heybrook HB3 floor standing speakers. 
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 23 Oct 2011, 21:29 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: A friend of mine has a 50" Pioneer Kuro plasma with a Pioneer CLD-99 LD player hooked up to it, through a Sony A/V receiver (not sure about the latter model). He says his laserdiscs look terrible on this TV -- that all the flaws of the discs are now visible. I don't know what cables he uses for his LD player, or most of the details of his set-up, or if he tried using any upscalers to improve the image quality. I have Pioneer PDP-LX5090 with player hooked directly to it and I don't have anything bad to say about picture quality, ofcourse it depends heavily of individual releases but with well-mastered discs I couldn't tell the difference to average DVD. Only downfall is that Pioneer doesn't have vertical adjustment for zoomed picture so some (mostly asian) letterboxed discs with non-centered picture area are rather painful to watch.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 00:05 |
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romppainen wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: A friend of mine has a 50" Pioneer Kuro plasma with a Pioneer CLD-99 LD player hooked up to it, through a Sony A/V receiver (not sure about the latter model). He says his laserdiscs look terrible on this TV -- that all the flaws of the discs are now visible. I don't know what cables he uses for his LD player, or most of the details of his set-up, or if he tried using any upscalers to improve the image quality. I have Pioneer PDP-LX5090 with player hooked directly to it and I don't have anything bad to say about picture quality, ofcourse it depends heavily of individual releases but with well-mastered discs I couldn't tell the difference to average DVD. Only downfall is that Pioneer doesn't have vertical adjustment for zoomed picture so some (mostly asian) letterboxed discs with non-centered picture area are rather painful to watch. Well, my friend thinks DVDs look bad, too. It's Blu-ray all the way now with him.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 06:02 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: Well, my friend thinks DVDs look bad, too. It's Blu-ray all the way now with him. Ok, that explains it all: Then the problem ain't playback but can be found from between his ears 
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 07:12 |
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romppainen wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: Well, my friend thinks DVDs look bad, too. It's Blu-ray all the way now with him. Ok, that explains it all: Then the problem ain't playback but can be found from between his ears  I don't have a nice set-up like my friend does (30" CRT 1080i TV, using a Pioneer CLD-D704 or Elite CLD-97), and I can still see the artifacts and jaggies when I watch my laserdiscs, too. If the laserdisc was well mastered, and presented in CAV, it can look almost as good as a DVD, as long as I view it in the 4:3 mode, but that's about it.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 01 Nov 2011, 22:09 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: romppainen wrote: jjhunsecker wrote: Well, my friend thinks DVDs look bad, too. It's Blu-ray all the way now with him. Ok, that explains it all: Then the problem ain't playback but can be found from between his ears  I don't have a nice set-up like my friend does (30" CRT 1080i TV, using a Pioneer CLD-D704 or Elite CLD-97), and I can still see the artifacts and jaggies when I watch my laserdiscs, too. If the laserdisc was well mastered, and presented in CAV, it can look almost as good as a DVD, as long as I view it in the 4:3 mode, but that's about it. I think you may have a bad scaler (most likely built into the TV). You may get a much better picture by getting a good scaler. I play laserdiscs on a large 150 inch screen in my home theater and no "jaggies". Sure the picture is quite dull and fuzzy compared to blu-ray but there is little to no digital artifacts present (and there shouldn't been any digital artifacts as laserdisc video is analog). If you have a good receiver then that will most likely serve as a good scaler for your picture. I use an Onkyo TX-SR875, I hear the pioneer elite receivers are very good too. These will most likely cost about a grand or more, but they also do other things than just upscale your picture.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 01 Nov 2011, 23:07 |
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invenio wrote: I think you may have a bad scaler (most likely built into the TV). You may get a much better picture by getting a good scaler. I play laserdiscs on a large 150 inch screen in my home theater and no "jaggies". Sure the picture is quite dull and fuzzy compared to blu-ray but there is little to no digital artifacts present (and there shouldn't been any digital artifacts as laserdisc video is analog). If you have a good receiver then that will most likely serve as a good scaler for your picture. I use an Onkyo TX-SR875, I hear the pioneer elite receivers are very good too. These will most likely cost about a grand or more, but they also do other things than just upscale your picture. The LaserDisc player is hooked up to a Denon 2310CI AV Receiver, which has its own scaler. The Receiver is hooked up to the TV with an HDMI cable. On some well mastered CAV discs the picture looks alright, although sometimes the colors shimmer. However, that's on 4:3 TV ratio. If I use the zoom feature on the TV for widescreen LDs, the picture looks worse, of course. (The CAV collector's edition of Star Wars looked like it had digital "jaggies" when I viewed it this way.) Also, I've been using a S-Video cable for the LD player, erroneously thinking that would improve picture quality, and recently I've come to realize that using a composite video cable would be better. (I just found an old composite cable from way back in my closet recently, after searching for one for weeks, so I'll be changing the cables soon.)
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 02 Nov 2011, 01:39 |
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jjhunsecker wrote: invenio wrote: I think you may have a bad scaler (most likely built into the TV). You may get a much better picture by getting a good scaler. I play laserdiscs on a large 150 inch screen in my home theater and no "jaggies". Sure the picture is quite dull and fuzzy compared to blu-ray but there is little to no digital artifacts present (and there shouldn't been any digital artifacts as laserdisc video is analog). If you have a good receiver then that will most likely serve as a good scaler for your picture. I use an Onkyo TX-SR875, I hear the pioneer elite receivers are very good too. These will most likely cost about a grand or more, but they also do other things than just upscale your picture. The LaserDisc player is hooked up to a Denon 2310CI AV Receiver, which has its own scaler. The Receiver is hooked up to the TV with an HDMI cable. On some well mastered CAV discs the picture looks alright, although sometimes the colors shimmer. However, that's on 4:3 TV ratio. If I use the zoom feature on the TV for widescreen LDs, the picture looks worse, of course. (The CAV collector's edition of Star Wars looked like it had digital "jaggies" when I viewed it this way.) Also, I've been using a S-Video cable for the LD player, erroneously thinking that would improve picture quality, and recently I've come to realize that using a composite video cable would be better. (I just found an old composite cable from way back in my closet recently, after searching for one for weeks, so I'll be changing the cables soon.) Hmmm. Although I am not directly familiar with the Denon receiver you refer to, I would imagine they would put a decent scaler on it as it's not a "cheap" model. Do you know what scaler it uses, on high end receivers they will generally tell you what's inside. For example my Onkyo uses "Reon-HQV™ HD video scaling". You can experiment witch trying other receivers or plugging directly into the TV and see how it changes the picture. Try some different composite cords as well... it shouldn't make a big difference but you never know. It seems like the "jaggies" your getting is an artificial artifact as the analog video signal of LD generally does not have these kind of problems. My laserdisc player (CLD-97) also has a "DNR" option. It makes no perceivable difference on my setup but if your player has this, give it a try.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 02 Nov 2011, 03:54 |
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invenio wrote: Hmmm. Although I am not directly familiar with the Denon receiver you refer to, I would imagine they would put a decent scaler on it as it's not a "cheap" model. Do you know what scaler it uses, on high end receivers they will generally tell you what's inside. For example my Onkyo uses "Reon-HQV™ HD video scaling". You can experiment witch trying other receivers or plugging directly into the TV and see how it changes the picture. Try some different composite cords as well... it shouldn't make a big difference but you never know. It seems like the "jaggies" your getting is an artificial artifact as the analog video signal of LD generally does not have these kind of problems. My laserdisc player (CLD-97) also has a "DNR" option. It makes no perceivable difference on my setup but if your player has this, give it a try. The Denon has a chip from Anchor Bay Technologies, featuring "10-bit multi-cadence processing", though I'm not sure what that means. I usually keep any video noise reduction on low.
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Post subject: Re: What screen are you viewing your Laserdiscs on?  Posted: 02 Nov 2011, 06:28 |
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publius wrote: Can you do the "zooming" on the receiver (scaler) instead of the TV? As it is, you are doing two steps of scaling, which can't be healthy. Only the TV has the zoom function, so one can watch letterboxed 4:3 video in a 16:9 ratio.
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