Does anyone know of any LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs?

One of the comments on [ID2940NSB] claims that [ID8316HD] is not taken from an IP, as it contains the cue marks characteristic of a Theatrical Print.

The List:
1 The Terminator (1984) LBX, USA - 1991 release [ID8316HD]
2 Doctor Zhivago (1965) LBX, USA - 1991 release [ML101526]
3 The Ten Commandments: 35th Anniversary (1956) LBX, USA - 1992 release [LV12971-3WS]
4 The Getaway (1972) LBX, USA - 1995 release [11122]
5 Black Christmas (1974) LBX, USA - 1999 release [11590]
6 Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind (1984) LBX, Japan - 1984 release [98LX-1]
7 Akira: Special Edition (1988) LBX, USA - 1992 release [CC1294L]
8 Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Special Edition (1980) LBX, UK - ???? release [LD 10003]

are the cue marks the only way to tell?
i know that i've seen cue marks on lots of LDs but don't know off the top of my head.

The cue marks seem to be the best way to tell, as they shouldn't be present on IPs. I'm not sure of any other way.

Interesting tidbit: Having a source with cue marks is very important to preservationists, as we can determine the frame-count (and other important information) of each reel using them.

Unfortunately, another method had to be used to determine the IP reel lengths for Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. See the following for more information: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic. ... Post422102

I was under the impression that a lot of old Laser Vision discs from the early 80's were direct transfers of multi generation theatrical prints. For example I have the PAL version of Atlantic City and even though I never saw it in the actual theater (came out 11 years before I was born), it actuelly looks exactly like a ported theatrical print with all the grain/noise and dust/scratches/general damage fully in tact.

Wow, that's amazing!

I'm now more hooked on this format than ever before.

Doctor Zhivago (1965) [ML101526].
Ten Commandments, The: 35th Anniversary (1956) [LV12971-3WS]. Both sourced from theatrical prints, and have many reel change markers

When watching "The Getaway" (1972) last year on NTSC letterbox Laserdisc I noticed a que dot and how refreshing that was to see as they are removed from nearly all film transfers I have on DVD HD-DVD Laserdisc bluray. Maybe a few off-air past VHS recordings of films can I see a Que dot. When you see the dot, count 10 seconds and its change over time and the audience won't notice it.

Why is the image on your tv at the wrong aspect ratio?

There are tons and tons of LDs made from theatrical prints, thousands. That was the defacto way of doing things before studios realized people actually cared about video quality.

Its called JUST MODE look it up.
I never liked 16:9 on it as it crops off more of the width and the Laserdisc is not 16:9 and if it was I would still use JUST MODE. And Sooty killed the Panasonic last year.

Thanks, guys! I've updated the list in the OP.

Please keep 'em coming!

great, now i have to watch everything again to find the cue marks

Have fun!

I believe Black Christmas is from a print. It's letterboxed at 1.85:1 (the DVDs and blu-ray are either 1.78:1 or open matte 1.33:1) with the reel change spots.

Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa has cue marks and seems to be from a print. The picture slightly shakes horizontally right between the two marks. The same thing goes to Akira.

i was going to say that i sort or remember films from Japan had the marks.
but now wouldn't you want the disc from the film since that's what we want to see.
movies at home that look like they are from film?

are some criterion done this way? i know that they would get prints from the directors that had them.

I'm sure I have a few more on Laserdisc and I'm not sure if my PAL pressing of WILLOW has que marks.

Well now checking WILLOW and I might have been mistaken. Ques are often at 20mins and bit on PAL due to the PAL speed-up and near around 20min on NTSC sometimes maybe at 15min but often 20mins so skipping though a Laserdisc won't take long to find them.

I have PAL VHS panned and scanned copy that I haven't watched in 15 or 20 years and I might have been thinking of that and confused it with the Laserdisc or maybe when seeing it at one day showing years ago and the que marks have been etched into my memory.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Special Edition (1980) [LD 10003]

I was positive about the PAL pressing of Close Encounters of Que Dot Kind I haven't played the PAL Laserdisc in years. I've circled the que dot in red taken off the CRT Sony TV. The scope is not full on this transfer its bit cropped on the sides otherwise a fuller oval que dot would be visible.

Disc 1 side A you can note the time on the screen.





Wow this film still rumbles when Roy is probed by a small UFO over his truck.





Some more que dots of 4th kind now as this four in row on side A


Side B more que dots of 6th kind. "I hate this potato there's a dead fly in my potato."









Disc 2 side A dirt a fine scratch marks and white balls are visible on this transfer.









WOW still a fantastic film, that makes cry at the end when Roy is transformed into an ALIEN.

I'm almost certain Lawrence of Arabia will have que dots. I still have the letterbox VHS PAL tape and thou I haven't watched the PAL VHS in 15 or so years I'd look at your Laserdisc pressing and get a few pictures if you can find them. As to which pressing as there are so many?

Lawrence of Arabia (1962) [LD 12058]

Projected 35mm film reels usually ran about 15 minutes give or take a minute before doing a film change over. Most projectionsts built several of these reels onto one big reel so they only had to do one projector change. But unfortunately as i really wanted to become a movie projectionst they came up with a platter system that only required you start the fim as it was on a continuous loop. I guess now they are getting so they use a dvd or somehow call in a movie code doing away with film prints all together. WHAT A Shame. The 1929 theatre in town which has projectors now sets up a dvd player & shows it on the screen i call that cheating.