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acuozzo
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Post subject: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 10 Jan 2013, 22:06 |
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Does anyone know of any LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs? One of the comments on [ ID2940NSB] claims that [ ID8316HD] is not taken from an IP, as it contains the cue marks characteristic of a Theatrical Print. The List: 1 The Terminator (1984) LBX, USA - 1991 release [ ID8316HD] 2 Doctor Zhivago (1965) LBX, USA - 1991 release [ ML101526] 3 The Ten Commandments: 35th Anniversary (1956) LBX, USA - 1992 release [ LV12971-3WS] 4 The Getaway (1972) LBX, USA - 1995 release [ 11122] 5 Black Christmas (1974) LBX, USA - 1999 release [ 11590] 6 Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind (1984) LBX, Japan - 1984 release [ 98LX-1] 7 Akira: Special Edition (1988) LBX, USA - 1992 release [ CC1294L] 8 Close Encounters of the Third Kind: Special Edition (1980) LBX, UK - ???? release [ LD 10003]
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acuozzo
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 10 Jan 2013, 23:17 |
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rein-o wrote: are the cue marks the only way to tell? i know that i've seen cue marks on lots of LDs but don't know off the top of my head. The cue marks seem to be the best way to tell, as they shouldn't be present on IPs. I'm not sure of any other way. Interesting tidbit: Having a source with cue marks is very important to preservationists, as we can determine the frame-count (and other important information) of each reel using them. Unfortunately, another method had to be used to determine the IP reel lengths for Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. See the following for more information: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic. ... Post422102
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acuozzo
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 03:35 |
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alien wrote: I was under the impression that a lot of old Laser Vision discs from the early 80's were direct transfers of multi generation theatrical prints. For example I have the PAL version of Atlantic City and even though I never saw it in the actual theater (came out 11 years before I was born), it actuelly looks exactly like a ported theatrical print with all the grain/noise and dust/scratches/general damage fully in tact. Wow, that's amazing! I'm now more hooked on this format than ever before.
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 04:19 |
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rein-o wrote: are the cue marks the only way to tell? i know that i've seen cue marks on lots of LDs but don't know off the top of my head. When watching "The Getaway" (1972) last year on NTSC letterbox Laserdisc I noticed a que dot and how refreshing that was to see as they are removed from nearly all film transfers I have on DVD HD-DVD Laserdisc bluray. Maybe a few off-air past VHS recordings of films can I see a Que dot. When you see the dot, count 10 seconds and its change over time and the audience won't notice it.
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 05:43 |
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disclord wrote: Why is the image on your tv at the wrong aspect ratio? Its called JUST MODE look it up. I never liked 16:9 on it as it crops off more of the width and the Laserdisc is not 16:9 and if it was I would still use JUST MODE. And Sooty killed the Panasonic last year.
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acuozzo
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 07:06 |
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rein-o wrote: :crazy: great, now i have to watch everything again to find the cue marks Have fun!
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 15:34 |
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I believe Black Christmas is from a print. It's letterboxed at 1.85:1 (the DVDs and blu-ray are either 1.78:1 or open matte 1.33:1) with the reel change spots.
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 17:37 |
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Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa has cue marks and seems to be from a print. The picture slightly shakes horizontally right between the two marks. The same thing goes to Akira.
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 19:13 |
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I'm sure I have a few more on Laserdisc and I'm not sure if my PAL pressing of WILLOW has que marks. Well now checking WILLOW and I might have been mistaken. Ques are often at 20mins and bit on PAL due to the PAL speed-up and near around 20min on NTSC sometimes maybe at 15min but often 20mins so skipping though a Laserdisc won't take long to find them. I have PAL VHS panned and scanned copy that I haven't watched in 15 or 20 years and I might have been thinking of that and confused it with the Laserdisc or maybe when seeing it at one day showing years ago and the que marks have been etched into my memory.
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Post subject: Re: LDs sourced from Theatrical Prints instead of IPs Posted: 11 Jan 2013, 23:48 |
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Projected 35mm film reels usually ran about 15 minutes give or take a minute before doing a film change over. Most projectionsts built several of these reels onto one big reel so they only had to do one projector change. But unfortunately as i really wanted to become a movie projectionst they came up with a platter system that only required you start the fim as it was on a continuous loop. I guess now they are getting so they use a dvd or somehow call in a movie code doing away with film prints all together. WHAT A Shame. The 1929 theatre in town which has projectors now sets up a dvd player & shows it on the screen i call that cheating.
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