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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 19:58 |
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jesuslovesgood wrote: Doesn't s-video have a slight advantage over composite when it comes to resolution too? From a technical specifications standpoint: no. The "resolution" portion of the signal, the "luma", is identical in both connections. The only difference is that the "color" or "chroma" signal is on a separate wire in s-video, and on the same wire in composite. In reality, there are a lot of variables involved. Which of "your" cables is better constructed? (loss of signal) Is there a low pass filter on your composite circuit? (reduces resolution) Many other possibilities. I have a Teranex 2D, if i run straight composite into it, it is low pass filtered and loses some resolution. If i use my Harris x75 or SuperNTSC decoder BEFORE the Teranex, and connect to the Teranex via component, it DOESN'T lose resolution. I used that setup to do my captures and to watch on my DLP PJ because my DLP PJ doesn't do well with straight laserdisc. My OLED TV does better than all of the above though. It very well could be, that your capture card has a low pass filter on the "composite IN" that isn't on the "S-video IN". "Correlation" does not prove "cause and effect". Just because your particular setup looks better connected with S-Video, doesn't mean S-Video provides a better picture in {any|more|all} cases. The consensus, is generally the opposite. With mid grade players, and modern TVs, the composite is usually better (but not always). jesuslovesgood wrote: I get what you're saying about lcd monitors being better with composite if I hook directly up to them... I wouldn't really say that. I "didn't" say that. LD hooked to _early_ LCD HDTVs really looked like crap to me. Then again, i don't care for LCD TVs in general. I went from SD tube, to HD RPTV 3 x tube, to PLASMA, to OLED. Even with DVD/Bluray, i can't stand the way backlit LCD washes out the blacks. The only exception, was my 3 chip LCD projector, which did LD quite nicely.
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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 26 Dec 2020, 20:03 |
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@jesuslovesgood, do you have this disc? Star Trek VIII: First Contact (1996) [LV332433-WS] If not, you should get a copy, it's cheap, and a pretty good reference disc. do a capture with your set up, and compare to mine. I, like you, use a Panasonic as my main player (1000u), and not a Pioneer.
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lonerangerface
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 16:10 |
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9954tony wrote: @jesuslovesgood, do you have this disc? Star Trek VIII: First Contact (1996) [LV332433-WS] If not, you should get a copy, it's cheap, and a pretty good reference disc. do a capture with your set up, and compare to mine. I, like you, use a Panasonic as my main player (1000u), and not a Pioneer. You're kidding. I mainly use a Pioneer, since they came up with LaserVision. Mine's a CLD-D505.
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takeshi666
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 20:20 |
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lonerangerface wrote: I mainly use a Pioneer, since they came up with LaserVision. That was Magnavox/Philips...
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rch928
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 30 Dec 2020, 06:10 |
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9954tony wrote: @jesuslovesgood, do you have this disc? Star Trek VIII: First Contact (1996) [LV332433-WS] If not, you should get a copy, it's cheap, and a pretty good reference disc. do a capture with your set up, and compare to mine. I, like you, use a Panasonic as my main player (1000u), and not a Pioneer. Whats wrong with your LD player? This looks like Bluray quality. Mine is like blurry with unclean signal just like user jesuslovesgood screenshots above.
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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 31 Dec 2020, 03:18 |
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rch928 wrote: Whats wrong with your LD player? This looks like Bluray quality. Mine is like blurry with unclean signal just like user jesuslovesgood screenshots above. lol. check my anamorphic screenshotsAll my recent screenshots in this thread (within the last year or so) were made with: Panasonic 1000u LD player --> composite out to Faroudja CFD-SN SuperNTSC Decoder --> YPbPr out to BMD Teranex 2d (noise reduction) --> SDI out to BMD SDI capture card @480i
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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 31 Dec 2020, 23:27 |
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rch928 wrote: whats Faroudja CFD-SN SuperNTSC Decoder? I did a search online doesn't seem to have results SuperNTSC was a proposed, and partially implemented in some ways, competing HDTV standard that eventually lost out to our current system (ATSC in USA). It had the benefit of being backwards compatible with NTSC. The CFD-SN was a broadcast grade "decoder". https://www.broadcaststore.com/store/model_detail.cfm?id=14880You can read a little more about SuperNTSC on this forum, this is just one of the threads: Super NTSC…the saga continues.It only works well if the source was encoded in a way that is recognized by the decoder. It is "average" at best, in other cases.
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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 00:16 |
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jesuslovesgood wrote: Also, you're cheating because you are using some kind of decoder to get a better picture so obviously you will win unless you take a screenshot without using that device. LOL, okay. You said you are using: capture device HD PVR Gaming Edition
to capture with. That is a "device", and it performs similar functions as my devices. My first device, is a comb filter. Your capture card is also a comb filter. my second device, does NR and converts an analog signal to a digital one. your capture device at least converts analog to digital and maybe does NR. my third device, my capture card, does nothing, it is an SDI capture card, it simply receives a digital signal and stores it to a file. Your statement is flawed. You are using the same kinds of devices: A laserdisc player A comb filter An Analog to digital converter A computer.
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9954tony
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 00:48 |
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Here you go, this is my 1000u plugged directly into my TV via composite yellow cable! The picture i took with my cell phone! lol. no "devices". You should check your player, if it has a noise reduction setting, turn it off. See if your picture gets sharper. A lot of LD players have noise reduction built in, but today, it is better to turn it off and let more modern equipment handle that task. you may be able to improve your resolution if you can turn it off. That is why i like the 1000u, it has no NR circuit. This made it unpopular initially, because TVs at the time didn't have NR so it looked noisy when it came out. Now, all TVs have NR built in, and do it better than most (if not all) ld players. NR results in loss of horizontal resolution. The older the NR equipment, generally the more loss occurs. obviously there are exceptions.
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Jan 2021, 01:08 |
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jesuslovesgood wrote: Also, you're cheating because you are using some kind of decoder to get a better picture so obviously you will win unless you take a screenshot without using that device. Aren't you using topaz and capturing it through a computer??? Thats not straight from TV. Those are the best shots straight from TV with eyes, they look best.
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 07 Feb 2021, 17:27 |
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Good thing is that you can always sell the T&A one since I'm sure others need it and it looks clean without any issues. That Terminator, is it the first widescreen release??? I had that one in the past, sold it when I picked up the early P&S version as I remember that from my early days of watching it on VHS with the tweaked up audio etc. Terminator, The (1984) [2535]
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