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cpix
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 24 Feb 2013, 17:28 |
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msgohan wrote: Those Oz shots look great but the T2 Squeeze ones look awful. Smoothed over, halo'd, blah. yes! T2 squeeze is not worth the money at all! i would like to see how the thx release differs or differs at all.
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alien
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 25 Feb 2013, 05:27 |
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signofzeta wrote: I see that your TV is HD Ready. Indeed it is.
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msgohan
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Mar 2013, 21:57 |
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cpix wrote: but, i thought i include some screen captures of the ultimate oz laserdisc. These have been captured through a blackmagic intensity hd without any form of compression and stored in uncompressed bmp:s. But, I did forget to deinterlace them, so some interlacing artifacts are present :/ trying to find my screen grabs of terminator 2 squeeze as well. I used a hld-x9 for playback. Screenshot battle! Your top-of-the-line hardware vs my lowly second-hand deals! Pioneer CLD-S201 -> composite -> Panasonic DMR-E20 -> S-Video -> ATI 600 USB (which has a now-known issue with chroma resolution) -> lossless YUY2 capture (Ut Video Codec)I used this method to calibrate my capture to the color bars that are present at the end of Side 4. Here is the AviSynth script that I used. AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 1 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 2 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() Full = last
video_black=Crop(400, 366, -192, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) video_white=Crop(130, 366, -480, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) grey=Crop(16, 12, -630, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) red=Crop(524, 10, -120, -162).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) yellow=Crop(110, 78, -530, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) cyan=Crop(212, 76, -430, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) StackVertical(video_black, video_white, grey, red, yellow, cyan)
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ColorYUV(gain_y=74.80, off_y=-18.75, gamma_y=-28.33, off_u=1.02, cont_u=88.38, off_v=-0.42, cont_v=69.02) ConvertToRGB()
AddBorders(0,5,0,1) #BlackMagic captures 486 lines as opposed to the 480 lines of my device
I have compressed your shots and mine into lossless PNG format, since BMP over the internet is a waste of bandwidth.
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alien
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 01 Apr 2013, 02:31 |
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msgohan wrote: cpix wrote: but, i thought i include some screen captures of the ultimate oz laserdisc. These have been captured through a blackmagic intensity hd without any form of compression and stored in uncompressed bmp:s. But, I did forget to deinterlace them, so some interlacing artifacts are present :/ trying to find my screen grabs of terminator 2 squeeze as well. I used a hld-x9 for playback. Screenshot battle! Your top-of-the-line hardware vs my lowly second-hand deals! Pioneer CLD-S201 -> composite -> Panasonic DMR-E20 -> S-Video -> ATI 600 USB (which has a now-known issue with chroma resolution) -> lossless YUY2 capture (Ut Video Codec)I used this method to calibrate my capture to the color bars that are present at the end of Side 4. Here is the AviSynth script that I used. AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 1 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 2 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() Full = last
video_black=Crop(400, 366, -192, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) video_white=Crop(130, 366, -480, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) grey=Crop(16, 12, -630, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) red=Crop(524, 10, -120, -162).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) yellow=Crop(110, 78, -530, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) cyan=Crop(212, 76, -430, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) StackVertical(video_black, video_white, grey, red, yellow, cyan)
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ColorYUV(gain_y=74.80, off_y=-18.75, gamma_y=-28.33, off_u=1.02, cont_u=88.38, off_v=-0.42, cont_v=69.02) ConvertToRGB()
AddBorders(0,5,0,1) #BlackMagic captures 486 lines as opposed to the 480 lines of my device
I have compressed your shots and mine into lossless PNG format, since BMP over the internet is a waste of bandwidth. Thanks for the pics. Both sets look really good to me. Seems like Wizard of Oz regardless of the player its being played on, is a good looking Laserdisc in general.
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cpix
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 01 Apr 2013, 16:05 |
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alien wrote: msgohan wrote: cpix wrote: but, i thought i include some screen captures of the ultimate oz laserdisc. These have been captured through a blackmagic intensity hd without any form of compression and stored in uncompressed bmp:s. But, I did forget to deinterlace them, so some interlacing artifacts are present :/ trying to find my screen grabs of terminator 2 squeeze as well. I used a hld-x9 for playback. Screenshot battle! Your top-of-the-line hardware vs my lowly second-hand deals! Pioneer CLD-S201 -> composite -> Panasonic DMR-E20 -> S-Video -> ATI 600 USB (which has a now-known issue with chroma resolution) -> lossless YUY2 capture (Ut Video Codec)I used this method to calibrate my capture to the color bars that are present at the end of Side 4. Here is the AviSynth script that I used. AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 1 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() AVISource("The Wizard of Oz - Side 2 [Bright124 Cont25].avi").AssumeTFF() Full = last
video_black=Crop(400, 366, -192, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) video_white=Crop(130, 366, -480, -10).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) grey=Crop(16, 12, -630, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) red=Crop(524, 10, -120, -162).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) yellow=Crop(110, 78, -530, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) cyan=Crop(212, 76, -430, -164).PointResize(480, 120).ColorYUV(analyze=true) StackVertical(video_black, video_white, grey, red, yellow, cyan)
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ColorYUV(gain_y=74.80, off_y=-18.75, gamma_y=-28.33, off_u=1.02, cont_u=88.38, off_v=-0.42, cont_v=69.02) ConvertToRGB()
AddBorders(0,5,0,1) #BlackMagic captures 486 lines as opposed to the 480 lines of my device
I have compressed your shots and mine into lossless PNG format, since BMP over the internet is a waste of bandwidth. Thanks for the pics. Both sets look really good to me. Seems like Wizard of Oz regardless of the player its being played on, is a good looking Laserdisc in general. Indeed, it is a great looking disc, also it's CAV.
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 06 Oct 2013, 13:15 |
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Quote: HOLY SMOKES! Seriously! Those look like downscaled bluray shots! You can even make out film grain overlaying the picture and background definition is amazing! I seriously can't believe you got that from composite output... The colors are really vivid and textures pop out. That's just ridiculous that technology from the late 1970's does that. Major props to you for getting that from a composite source; you didn't even use the X0 everyone seems to regard as being the best. As a matter of fact this is my first post. I just joined after seeing dissapointing results from bluray movies, most notably screenshots of evil dead 2 (25th anniversary edition from lions gate) and the new 3D jurassic park. It's so dumb of producers to artificially impose image enhancement, digital noise reduction, and sharpening onto the print when users can do that on their tv's or software player; (why tamper the source with crud?). It just doesn't make sense. I prefer things to stay true to their source and I've found these new blu-ray releases dissapointing. I also don't like DVD for its smaller color and compression space for video (seen TV HD movies downscaled to DVD resolution and colors are always very pale on DVD version; it's like 16-bit color vs 24-bit color) . Seriously wasn't expecting laser disc to look like this (maybe some kind of pseudo enhanced vhs like quality or something). Never had laserdisc but I've seen packaging of some movies and it's really impressive stuff (very luxurious with booklets, pamphlets, large poster like packaging, etc). Also seen screen grabs from people digitizing unique laser disc releases and results look nothing like yours. I wonder, are your pics and others a scam? Just spent about $200.00 importing German releases of Army of Darkness Ultimate Edition and Evil Dead 2 Limited edition blurays (supposedly a new transfer; better not be the same 25th anniversary U.S. release). Reason I paid so much is no decent release of these movies exist anywhere else in the world (Austria? maybe laserdisc is an exception haha. I know Evil Dead 1 does have the best release on a 1980's Japanese hologram LD without altered color timing). Lions gate U.S. 25th Anniversary Evil Dead 2 was supposedly improved over previous release without digital enhancement or filtering, but screenshots show bad black crush giving less picture info in dark scenes (older release with bad filtering has all the picture without black crush problems). And why does star wars have the worst tampering? Seriously, if you're recording an ultimate play that's totally unique from 30-40 years past with memorable people acting do you really think it's good to go back and change things with digital monsters and what not? really upset from that. Here's the Evil Dead 1 dvd laser disc comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeaLiJVvy1c I noticed the definition's better on the LD so I don't know if it's the users fault for the way it's compressed. Either way the LD has the original unaltered color timing, more picture frame, and all film elements are present (bloopers like camera guy appearing in reflections, video noise and what not). Sorry for ranting but I still am stunned from your screengrabs (had similar feeling on a youtube video with evil dead 1 ld vs dvd comparison but this takes the cake). Many thanks to the OP for this thread. Regards
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 06 Oct 2013, 20:01 |
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tasuke, nice capture of "Top Gun" that must be the region 1 DVD SE. "negative ghostrider the pattern is full"
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tasuke
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 06 Oct 2013, 20:10 |
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laserbite34 wrote: tasuke, nice capture of "Top Gun" that must be the region 1 DVD SE. nope, '95 special ed. LD, on 1988 PIONEER CLD-3030...
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johan184
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 06 Oct 2013, 23:13 |
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tasuke wrote: laserbite34 wrote: tasuke, nice capture of "Top Gun" that must be the region 1 DVD SE. nope, '95 special ed. LD, on 1988 PIONEER CLD-3030... looks really clean, great PQ from a ld.
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mercury77
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 08:43 |
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Okay....my laserdisc is the Pioneer CLD 2950,and its fed into a Samsung 42"....its plugged from composite,from the Player, with Scart into the TV,I found that a clearer picture rather than just feeding straight into Composite.....The pics about to be displayed were the settings my eyes enjoyed for about a year before I calibrated the tv properly using Video Essentials,I get a much different picture now.....So here are some pics from the old settings......... An American Werewolf in London here is the links for the pictures................. Here is my setup....... http://s5.postimg.org/98ag1v9av/SAM_5301.jpgThe opening titles... http://s5.postimg.org/6pk5nfy6v/SAM_5302.jpgThe Pub..... http://s5.postimg.org/tczetldqv/SAM_5303.jpgHere are the pictures you had for comparision....... http://s5.postimg.org/y931ladw7/SAM_5304.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/4ifwziswn/SAM_5305.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/m3ifomok7/SAM_5308.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/w4n9xy1nb/SAM_5309.jpgHere is a shot to show the black levels....... http://s5.postimg.org/7hrf0drrr/SAM_5306.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/kn6x6hlnb/SAM_5307.jpgHere is to show the colour...... http://s5.postimg.org/cliool2vr/SAM_5316.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/wvg03q40n/SAM_5317.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/g8yfunb2v/SAM_5318.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/7ycmmtfiv/SAM_5313.jpgAnd her is a little transformation for fun....... http://s5.postimg.org/v7lg2tfiv/SAM_5319.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/r9tkzo3br/SAM_5322.jpgSaving Private Ryan,a bit difficult to capture images as there is very little that is still in the film,due to the nature of the way it was shot,so some pics are blurry and not as sharp as they are on the tv. Also because of the high contrast look which spielberg used,it looks about half as better Ive noticed on tv,its also darker on my tv than in the pictures,I havent retouched the images at all......nice colours when there is colour in the image and the picture is nice and sharp with no picture noise,it looks softer in the pics tho........ http://s5.postimg.org/7tger8h93/SAM_5352.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/829e3f4nr/SAM_5353.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/ievophy6v/SAM_5355.jpghttp://s5.postimg.org/us8iwenvb/SAM_5356.jpgOkay....now time for Starship Troopers...I personally have yet to watch the film,and it will be awhile because I sorted all my laserdiscs in order of when they are released and only just watched Alien.......looking at the pics it seems to have one of the best transfers Ive ever seen.....no signs of digital noise at all,very bold colours and strong skin tones,deep blacks and very white whites....again some of the images are not as sharp as they are on my tv.. The title...... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/qvvr.jpg/This one shows the colour which nearly burned my retinas off..... http://i44.tinypic.com/x0ti6e.jpgHeres a collection that shows the great skin tones in various light and dark scenes......... http://i44.tinypic.com/ev8e10.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/2z8niaw.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/2a9cx1y.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/1ok86b.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/zu2fe9.jpgHere some shots to show how clear and sharp the picture is,the rainbow affect on these pics are from the tv and not present on the disc...... http://i43.tinypic.com/25u4dog.jpghttp://i40.tinypic.com/263hj7m.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/2rhv141.jpghttp://i43.tinypic.com/2e5qszt.jpghttp://i41.tinypic.com/2hgafkn.jpghttp://i39.tinypic.com/iglqg5.jpgSo there we go.....plenty to feast on......again pics look miles better on the tele than shown here.......x
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 13:05 |
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Quote: tasuke: here's a real old one with my 3030 I'm kinda suprised those shots look that good coming from your 3030 (has an older tbc). Does anyone know the TBC in the pioneer cld-s201 player?
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tasuke
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 16:57 |
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vexatious wrote: Quote: tasuke: here's a real old one with my 3030 I'm kinda suprised those shots look that good coming from your 3030 (has an older tbc). guessing that that's rather telling of just how smashingly good a pressing the '95 TOP GUN actually is? also, IIRC, i used the player's DIGITAL STILL FRAME to pause those shots before photographing them, so that probably accounts for a good of the grain and image noise seen. i should retake some of those shots in actual motion to show just how good the 3030 really is. won't be easy though, what with the whiplash editing and all...
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