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bguzman
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 01 Feb 2014, 17:52 |
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nissling wrote: The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ... Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy.
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nissling
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 02 Feb 2014, 13:59 |
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It also looks like the Definitive collection is cropped on the top and the Japanese is slightly cropped on the bottom. They're both cropped on the sides from what I can see. New comparison! Please note that the Laserdisc has gone through Mpeg-2 compression so the captures doesn't represent the Laserdisc completely due to the compression artifacts. Mimi wo sumaseba (Whisper of the Heart) (1995) [TKLO-50170]Vs. Swedish DVD (Pan Vision) Vs. UK Blu-Ray (Studio Canal) Laserdisc: DVD: Blu-Ray: Laserdisc: DVD: Blu-Ray: The Laserdisc is a bit reddish, the DVD is a bit soft and the Blu-Ray is a bit DNR'd. I have the Ghibli box set on Laserdisc and it's possible that it looks a bit better, but I've been thinking about getting the Japanese Blu-Ray as it's supposed to be more intact (just like Nausicaä).
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sdraper
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Feb 2014, 01:56 |
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bguzman wrote: nissling wrote: The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ... Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy. The JSC used a better source and is more theatrically accurate than the DC which used a faded used Interpositive as its source and then riddled that with the new DVNR technology which further tampered the image.
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bguzman
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Feb 2014, 05:42 |
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sdraper wrote: bguzman wrote: nissling wrote: The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ... Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy. The JSC used a better source and is more theatrically accurate than the DC which used a faded used Interpositive as its source and then riddled that with the new DVNR technology which further tampered the image. +1 sdraper, and I just ordered a JSC The Empire Strikes Back, so now I have all three.
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rch928
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 11 Feb 2014, 16:45 |
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alien wrote: nissling wrote: I didn't have much to do so I made a quick comparison between Laserdisc, DVD och Blu-Ray. I know it's not the exact screenshots but it gives you an idea of the difference. However, the Blu-Ray capture is from Blu-Ray.com and was only available in 720p. The Laserdisc capture hasn't been de-interlaced as you can see, but it has a bit more natural colors than the DVD imo. The Blu-Ray looks great in every way. Interesting. The Blu-Ray colours look a lot closer to the Laserdisc then the DVD (well, at least in terms of the skin tones). With some de-interlaceing and/or upscaling I think the LD would be better then the DVD but yeah the Blu-Ray easily comes out on top. Thanks for posting this comparsen between the 3 formats. I love those! The superiority of Bluray is very clear on this one, and while DVD is clearer I am surprised there is not much difference in picture quality. Yesterday I watched a DVD on my HDTV and noticed artificats, I was very surprised because I always believed DVDs were super clear&sharp . HDTVs probably sharpens every pixel on the screen
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 11:58 |
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Commando LD (1986 CBS/FOX release). LD-V4200 (after TBC), PVR-150 capture (5-line comb filtering forced on, luminance peaking off, all auto gains and crush forced off) and some cheating with avisynth (original had color blotching and luminance was more hidden) MergeChroma(McTemporalDenoise(settings="low",interlaced=true,radius=1,sigma=0,chroma=true,adapt=false,deblock=false,enhance=false,GFthr=1.0,AGstr=0),McTemporalDenoise(settings="very high",radius=3,sigma=0,interlaced=true,chroma=true,twopass=true,adapt=false,deblock=false,enhance=false,GFthr=1.0,AGstr=0))
Scaled to 2x (1440X960) taken down taken down All that lossless grain, no macroblocks or edge ringing, and better colors puts DVD to shame. Original raw 4:2:0 capture without cheating. Still like the colors more on this (background looks more like army green) but you can clearly see how faint details are (they literally hide. e.g. vertical lines under blinds). Scaled to 2x (1440x960) taken down taken down
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Guest
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 21:54 |
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Yes. My copy probably isn't in the cleanest shape... I'm happy with the capture card and feel the pvr-150 gives me full luminance resolution (with sharpness turned all the way down) and I don't know of another capture card that allows access to all hardware registers. Not sure how the movie itself looks on DVD upscaled to 2x, but It'd be interesting to see a different capture of the same ld (or actual DVD).
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 03:34 |
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nissling wrote: Here are some more captures. MPEG-2 compression again... I'll see if I can get some DVD captures from some of the films. nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing?
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nissling
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 12:03 |
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laserbite34 wrote: nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing? It's the first US-edition. Although I did get better results with S-video than composite (which was used in my captures) actually. Sharpness was almost the same but colors got more dynamic ( Independence Day looks even closer to the Blu-Ray now) and the amount of smear went from being very low to completely gone. Seems like the comb filter in my CLD-R7G does a better job than the one in my DVR-LX70D.
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laserbite34
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 16:38 |
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nissling wrote: laserbite34 wrote: nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing? It's the first US-edition. Although I did get better results with S-video than composite (which was used in my captures) actually. Sharpness was almost the same but colors got more dynamic ( Independence Day looks even closer to the Blu-Ray now) and the amount of smear went from being very low to completely gone. Seems like the comb filter in my CLD-R7G does a better job than the one in my DVR-LX70D. That's great I wonder if the dts pressing is equal as good? I was thinking thou it might not work, if I was to send the video output from the Onkyo TH SR-875 after its gone though the up scale and other processing I'm wondering if it would work or not as it looks fine on the projector with the up scale and other fancy-do processing. I might do another Laserdisc to DVD-RW (for my personal self) sometime soon?
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rch928
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 17:56 |
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laserbite34 wrote: captures from, STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (1979) Star Trek I: The Motion Picture (1979) [LV8858-2WS] Laserdisc letterbox edition transferred to DVD-RW for my own personal use. I did the Laserdisc to DVD-RW some 7 years ago? I recoded at super long recoded to cram two Laserdiscs onto one DVD-RW to see what it looked like? The other film on the DVD-RW is Brainstorm (1983) Why does your screens look so washed out? I watched a VHS yesterday on depending on the display mode I get different black levels ones is washed out others are higher contrast and I never know how the director intended for me to see it.
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