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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2014, 17:52 
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The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ...


Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. ;) I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 01 Feb 2014, 19:44 
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some of those early Japanese films do have a little more noise, i remember forbidden planet having a little more noise.
but i think it has more to do with the source material than transfer? some of the Japanese full screen pressings have less noise.
could also be ?? who knows. you may just have to do some tweeking to get a better picture.
not all LDs have the same quality, or do they :o :lol:

and as we all know, one will get a better picture when playing and not on pause.

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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2014, 00:27 
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Cool comparisons, bguzman. I prefer the THX optimized Definitive collection transfers though. They might have been scrubbed with early methods of DNR, but the colours look more natural and it does look slightly cleaner.

The Japanese early transfers look too warm and yellow with the colour timing. They do seem to have more 'pop' to them however.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2014, 00:57 
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The colors are a little over the top in the Japanese CAV shots and don't quite represent what I am seeing on my screen. I'll do a little experimenting with my camera and see if I can clean it up a little.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2014, 13:59 
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It also looks like the Definitive collection is cropped on the top and the Japanese is slightly cropped on the bottom. They're both cropped on the sides from what I can see.

New comparison! Please note that the Laserdisc has gone through Mpeg-2 compression so the captures doesn't represent the Laserdisc completely due to the compression artifacts.

Mimi wo sumaseba (Whisper of the Heart) (1995) [TKLO-50170]
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The Laserdisc is a bit reddish, the DVD is a bit soft and the Blu-Ray is a bit DNR'd. I have the Ghibli box set on Laserdisc and it's possible that it looks a bit better, but I've been thinking about getting the Japanese Blu-Ray as it's supposed to be more intact (just like Nausicaä).
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2014, 21:24 
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Bd appears to have different color timing. Japanese bds are generally the best but awefully expensive. I bought all of the studio ghibli bds for $15-25 in the US. I see japanese ones on yesasia for $40-80 each. Most of the japanese movies, anime are direct ports from japanese pressing in HK. They are much cheaper at around $15-20. Dddhouse.com is a great reliable source for hk bds. Make sure to order infernal affairs, police story, bruce lee box sets as well.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 02 Feb 2014, 21:29 
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I believe the reddish tint is due to pioneer players. I remember when i was calibrating my ld players they outputted warmer than 6500 kelvin. Especially on mid and high ire range. It is time i redo my calibration one of these days. I will have the chance to verify. Pioneer players do output much higher gamma for sure.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2014, 09:10 
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The DVD looks the softest of the 3 IMO, the LD actually looks sharper. Thanks for posting, Nissing!
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 03 Feb 2014, 20:07 
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Here are some more captures. MPEG-2 compression again... I'll see if I can get some DVD captures from some of the films.

Shichinin no samurai (1954) [CC1167L]
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Back to the Future (1985) [41056]
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Mononoke Hime (Princess Mononoke) (1997) [TKLA-50300]
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Seven (1995) [TLL 2494]
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The Beatles: Yellow Submarine (1968) [NJL-99655]
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2014, 01:56 
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bguzman wrote:
nissling wrote:
The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ...


Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. ;) I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy.


The JSC used a better source and is more theatrically accurate than the DC which used a faded used Interpositive as its source and then riddled that with the new DVNR technology which further tampered the image.
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 09 Feb 2014, 05:42 
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sdraper wrote:
bguzman wrote:
nissling wrote:
The Japanese edition looks very warm and a bit noisier. I prefer the Definitive collection. ...


Well we are lucky that ol' King George has given us so many versions so that we can all have a favorite. ;) I prefer the movie pre-scrub. To me the colors are more vibrant and there is more detail. As for the noise, that's probably from my lack of camera skills and the fact that it is on my 100" scope screen. Now if I can find me an Empire Strikes Back copy.


The JSC used a better source and is more theatrically accurate than the DC which used a faded used Interpositive as its source and then riddled that with the new DVNR technology which further tampered the image.


+1 sdraper, and I just ordered a JSC The Empire Strikes Back, so now I have all three. :thumbup: :clap:
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 11 Feb 2014, 16:45 
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alien wrote:
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I didn't have much to do so I made a quick comparison between Laserdisc, DVD och Blu-Ray. I know it's not the exact screenshots but it gives you an idea of the difference. However, the Blu-Ray capture is from Blu-Ray.com and was only available in 720p.

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The Laserdisc capture hasn't been de-interlaced as you can see, but it has a bit more natural colors than the DVD imo. The Blu-Ray looks great in every way.

Interesting. The Blu-Ray colours look a lot closer to the Laserdisc then the DVD (well, at least in terms of the skin tones). With some de-interlaceing and/or upscaling I think the LD would be better then the DVD but yeah the Blu-Ray easily comes out on top. Thanks for posting this comparsen between the 3 formats. I love those!


The superiority of Bluray is very clear on this one, and while DVD is clearer I am surprised there is not much difference in picture quality. Yesterday I watched a DVD on my HDTV and noticed artificats, I was very surprised because I always believed DVDs were super clear&sharp . HDTVs probably sharpens every pixel on the screen
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2014, 11:58 
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Commando LD (1986 CBS/FOX release). LD-V4200 (after TBC), PVR-150 capture (5-line comb filtering forced on, luminance peaking off, all auto gains and crush forced off) and some cheating with avisynth :) (original had color blotching and luminance was more hidden)
MergeChroma(McTemporalDenoise(settings="low",interlaced=true,radius=1,sigma=0,chroma=true,adapt=false,deblock=false,enhance=false,GFthr=1.0,AGstr=0),McTemporalDenoise(settings="very high",radius=3,sigma=0,interlaced=true,chroma=true,twopass=true,adapt=false,deblock=false,enhance=false,GFthr=1.0,AGstr=0))


Scaled to 2x (1440X960)
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All that lossless grain, no macroblocks or edge ringing, and better colors puts DVD to shame.

Original raw 4:2:0 capture without cheating. Still like the colors more on this (background looks more like army green) but you can clearly see how faint details are (they literally hide. e.g. vertical lines under blinds). Scaled to 2x (1440x960)
taken down
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 15 Feb 2014, 21:16 
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To be honest...the copy I have looks much better than that...that was a straight capture from the disc...?....
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PostPosted: 15 Feb 2014, 21:54 
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Yes. My copy probably isn't in the cleanest shape... I'm happy with the capture card and feel the pvr-150 gives me full luminance resolution (with sharpness turned all the way down) and I don't know of another capture card that allows access to all hardware registers. Not sure how the movie itself looks on DVD upscaled to 2x, but It'd be interesting to see a different capture of the same ld (or actual DVD).
  
 
 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2014, 03:34 
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nissling wrote:
Here are some more captures. MPEG-2 compression again... I'll see if I can get some DVD captures from some of the films.



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nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing?
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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
PostPosted: 16 Feb 2014, 06:08 
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captures from, STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (1979) Star Trek I: The Motion Picture (1979) [LV8858-2WS] Laserdisc letterbox edition transferred to DVD-RW for my own personal use. I did the Laserdisc to DVD-RW some 7 years ago? I recoded at super long recoded to cram two Laserdiscs onto one DVD-RW to see what it looked like? The other film on the DVD-RW is Brainstorm (1983)

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Interesting sound point here with sound effect on stage left when Sulu presses a button that is heard on stage left channel. On the Bluray edition the sound effect is missing. So this is the only pressing available in letterbox SCOPE of the film that preserves the DOLBY STEREO as it was heard at the cinema.

Also other issues with the bluray is the intercom sounds when Scotty talks to the bridge just before going to warp speed. The voice is echoing on stage right and the surrounds, what a mess. So if you want to hear/listen to the film as it was heard in the cinema then this is the version. :thumbup:

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The white levels on the transfer for Laserdisc is far too high as the green is not what it should be, it should bright white light.

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 Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread
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nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing?

It's the first US-edition. Although I did get better results with S-video than composite (which was used in my captures) actually. Sharpness was almost the same but colors got more dynamic (Independence Day looks even closer to the Blu-Ray now) and the amount of smear went from being very low to completely gone. Seems like the comb filter in my CLD-R7G does a better job than the one in my DVR-LX70D.
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nissling wrote:
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nissling, which pressing of Casino is that USA NTSC first edition or dts or is the PAL pressing?

It's the first US-edition. Although I did get better results with S-video than composite (which was used in my captures) actually. Sharpness was almost the same but colors got more dynamic (Independence Day looks even closer to the Blu-Ray now) and the amount of smear went from being very low to completely gone. Seems like the comb filter in my CLD-R7G does a better job than the one in my DVR-LX70D.

That's great I wonder if the dts pressing is equal as good?

I was thinking thou it might not work, if I was to send the video output from the Onkyo TH SR-875 after its gone though the up scale and other processing I'm wondering if it would work or not as it looks fine on the projector with the up scale and other fancy-do processing. I might do another Laserdisc to DVD-RW (for my personal self) sometime soon?
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laserbite34 wrote:
captures from, STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE (1979) Star Trek I: The Motion Picture (1979) [LV8858-2WS] Laserdisc letterbox edition transferred to DVD-RW for my own personal use. I did the Laserdisc to DVD-RW some 7 years ago? I recoded at super long recoded to cram two Laserdiscs onto one DVD-RW to see what it looked like? The other film on the DVD-RW is Brainstorm (1983)


Why does your screens look so washed out? I watched a VHS yesterday on depending on the display mode I get different black levels ones is washed out others are higher contrast and I never know how the director intended for me to see it.
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