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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 00:27 
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roger wrote:
Quote: "Not everyone cares about if there are subtitles in the picture or not."

I do. You can imagine my shock 15 years ago when I purchased the complete Star Trek original series Japanese laserdisc sets and found out chunks of each episode had burnt in Japanese subtitles because they had never shown the 100% complete episodes in Japan and despite being a set with laserdisc graphics they still went ahead and burnt in the subtitles and don't even get started on the X-Files box sets!

Not everyone, even in Japan, would have had LD-G capable players so I guess they had to make them backwards compatible.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 22:52 
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Not much help to people who were not aware of the burnt in subtitles. Even the japanese fans weren't happy!
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 22:57 
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hippiedalek wrote:
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All of the early TOHO LDs never had an obi, also some others.

I didn't know that, interesting. I've never seen any Japanese LP/CD/DVD/Blu/LD without one.


Also, the older Japanese releases by Embassy didn't have obi's either. These are the ones with reference numbers having the EHL- prefix.

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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 23:32 
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laserking wrote:
hippiedalek wrote:
rein-o wrote:
All of the early TOHO LDs never had an obi, also some others.

I didn't know that, interesting. I've never seen any Japanese LP/CD/DVD/Blu/LD without one.


Also, the older Japanese releases by Embassy didn't have obi's either. These are the ones with reference numbers having the EHL- prefix.

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Thanks, I knew there were others but posted fast. :? :D
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 20 Mar 2017, 23:54 
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Special give-away discs doesn't have obi as well (at least the ones I'm aware of). The type of discs you have to send in proof of purchase of other titles to get. Since the obi usually contain product information for the buyer, it probably isn't surprising it isn't included on stuff not available through a retailer.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 21 Mar 2017, 16:18 
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2017, 17:30 
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One PAL encoded Laserdisc which remains significant is Tom et Lola, a marvelous poetic French movie about two ill children kept in plastic bubbles due to immune deficiency : Tom et Lola (1990) [009653].

Up to this day, this film hasn't been released again on DVD nor BR-D (save for legally doubtful US DVDs ripped of from VHS releases with burnt-in English subtitles).
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 25 Jun 2017, 23:49 
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Good evening Guys,

The most significant LD Titles for myself personally, are the LD Titles that I have been waiting for for the past 10+ Years.
It's a long reasonable and trustworthy transaction with endurance, change of country on there side and a lack of available funds, that have taken such a long time to complete from my side.

It's still not over........ as I shall have another roughly 20 titles after this to pay for, as the seller has to rummage through approx 300 crates since moving from Japan to Australia.

Next Shipment is due by the end of July 2017.

Significant titles are MI 2 / 007 The World is not enough and The Sixth Day sealed.

Others include T2 Squeezed / Song of the South / Man Called Flint & in like Flint box set / Young Indiana Jones Box set / Fifth Element Japanese Version / Star Wars Definitive Box Brand new sealed Japanese Version / Deep Impact Japanese Version and a few Others that will come along in 2018.

Significant LD Titles are subjective for each persons taste I believe, so all of the above are good for this man.

Kindest Regards to everyone and hope that you are all well and looking after yourselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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roger wrote:
Not much help to people who were not aware of the burnt in subtitles. Even the japanese fans weren't happy!


Wait, are you saying that in 1992 or 1993 that a Japanese market consumer would be bothered by "burned in" subtitles, the only subs that %95 of the country had ever seen? It find that doubtful.

"Burned in" subs were just known as "subs" before DVD. I never heard of anyone complaining about them, and especially when it's foreign language material for the intendted audience.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 29 Jun 2017, 11:07 
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Well there was major complaints about the X Files box sets. A lot of fans were not happy and other sets having no Japanese sound in parts with forced subtitles was not popular.
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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2017, 15:16 
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I have to correct my earlier post.
It seems that TOHO discs did have some type of corner obi on some of the discs, I don't know if all had them but some did.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 04 Jul 2017, 18:05 
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I believe the Japanese E.R box sets had both English and Japanese audio available on different channels. It is a shame they did not do this with other laserdiscs. May be subtitles were the norm because it was cheaper to add subtitles than hiring a cast of actors to dub the entire film
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 04 Jul 2017, 22:23 
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Think that's probably the best reason. Cost
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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Not all countries dub movies anyway. Here in Norway only material intended for children gets dubbed, since they usually can't read yet. I personally don't understand countries that dub material intended for teens and adults. Either way, subtitles are not that difficult to avoid looking at if you understand the spoken language. I don't see the problem.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2017, 08:59 
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roger wrote:
Think that's probably the best reason. Cost


The reason to put "burned" subtitles into the picture was not cost, but license agreements.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
PostPosted: 10 Jul 2017, 14:32 
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roger wrote:
Quote: "Not everyone cares about if there are subtitles in the picture or not."

I do. You can imagine my shock 15 years ago when I purchased the complete Star Trek original series Japanese laserdisc sets and found out chunks of each episode had burnt in Japanese subtitles because they had never shown the 100% complete episodes in Japan and despite being a set with laserdisc graphics they still went ahead and burnt in the subtitles and don't even get started on the X-Files box sets!


Shock? Seriously?

You buy a Japanese product, intended for the Japanese market and then you whine about Japanese subtitles. Get over it!


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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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lons_vex wrote:
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Think that's probably the best reason. Cost


The reason to put "burned" subtitles into the picture was not cost, but license agreements.


Well you'd think there was some financial element - the more popular shows in Japan most likely to get a Japanese language audio dub for TV which could then be used on the LD.

Although I've heard Twin Peaks was really popular in Japan, like X-Files it's English only with Japanese subtitles. The Star Trek releases are one of the ones to use a Japanese dub, from Next Gen on only on-screen displays and signs that needed translation have subtitles, the rest is all dubbed without subtitles. But then the English track is on the digital channels while the Japanese was on the analogue tracks - maybe if I was a Japanese consumer I should feel ripped off by that?????
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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The Japanese Star Trek box sets at the time were advertised as bi-lingual. None said anything about chunks of the sets having burnt in subtitles. In those days the few reviews I read give no indication of this issue. So being annoyed about it was a genuine reaction to false advertising. To date the only early japanese box set in which you get 100% dual language is the Kolchak box set and UFO box set.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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Don't they at least subtitle any labels, signs etc which are unspoken but help in the understanding of the story?

That's what TNG/DS9/VGR do. Just once in a while on an occasional episode something on a display panel etc will get a subtitle.
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 Post subject: Re: Ultimate list of Laserdisc titles that are significant
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The Next Gen and Voyager were fine. They were bi-lingual. And yes once in a blue moon a sign would get subtitled
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