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 Post subject: PAL Laserdisc Check Thread
PostPosted: 18 Aug 2014, 22:56 
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How many of you own PAL encoded Laserdiscs in your collection? Please specify whether you are located in PAL territory or not.

I own 3 PAL discs and 1 PAL+(anamorphic) disc in my collection. I am located in the US(NTSC)

How many of you own a PAL capable Laserdisc player? If not, would you be interested in importing one?

I currently do not however I am looking to import a player next year.

How many of you do NOT own a PAL disc but would be interested in adding PAL titles your collection? Please specify significant/interested titles.

I own PAL titles and looking to add another dozen or so titles whether I buy a player or not. Jumanji, Jurassic Park, Star Wars Definitive Collection are some I am interested in.
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Substance, I've got 3 PAL LD's, music videos, that are unique to PAL only. I still need to acquire a PAL player to do a proper transfer. One LD does have a digital track, so digital and analog capability is necessary. I only need a player to complete this transfer and then I'm done with PAL LD's for good. Would be interested in working out a share type deal. I won't be back in the U.S. till end of next summer but I am ready to make arrangements now, or sometime by next summer.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2014, 06:13 
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If I obtain a player, I will transfer them for you. What titles are these?
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2014, 09:39 
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I live in the UK and I own the following PAL discs:

Abyss, The: Special Edition (1989) [EE 1041]
Confidential Report (1955) [PLFMB 30881]
Flight of Dragons, The (1982) [791 536-1]
Ghostbusters/Ghostbusters 2 (1989) [LD 13119]
Independence Day: ID4 (1996) [EE 1142]
Indiana Jones Trilogy [PLFES 33821]
Jacob's Ladder (1990) [PLFEB 30631]
Queen: Greatest Flix I & II (1998) [PLMPD 01171]
Queen: Live in Budapest (1986) [080 510-1]
Star Trek: The Pilots [PLTES 34071]
Star Trek: The Screen Voyages I to VI [PLFES 33831]

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I own PAL titles and looking to add another dozen or so titles whether I buy a player or not. Jumanji, Jurassic Park, Star Wars Definitive Collection are some I am interested in.

I don't think there was a PAL version of the Star Wars Definitive Collection.
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 Post subject: Re: PAL Laserdisc Check Thread
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2014, 21:30 
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There was no "Definitive" collection in PAL. There were the "Faces" editions available in France in both English with French subtitles (box set only) and dubbed in French (available as single titles only). Both French editions are in Standard Play.

The "Special Edition" versions of the films were available 3 versions in the PAL format: Individual films dubbed in French, a boxset with French sub-titles and a UK edition.

I have two PAL compatible players - both DVL-919E and I live in the US. I have the following PAL titles:

080 434-9 INXS: Kick - The Video Flick
080 276-9 Level 42: Family of Five
080 168-9 Swing Out Sister: ...and why not?
7599-38282-6 a-ha: Headlines and Deadlines - The Hits of a-ha
LVG 1020 Battlestar Galactica: The Cylon Attack
LVG-1072 The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
LVG 1015 Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
000135 CBS/Fox Demonstration Disc - France
1202-70 Damnation Alley
ELV 1602 Escape from New York
PEL-61172 Friday the 13th
LD 13119-1 Ghostbusters
LD 13119-2 Ghostbusters II
LD 14594 Groundhog Day
PHILIPSDEMO LaserVision Demonstration: Pictures from a Silver Disc
GHLV 2484 The Last American Virgin
GHLV 9312 Barry Manilow: In Concert at the Greek Theater
7038-70 My Fair Lady
080 600 1 Olivia Newton-John: Down Under
6134-70 Olivia Newton-John: Physical
PMI 99 0007 Olivia Newton-John: Twist of Fate
1099-73 Nine to Five
1099-60 Nine to Five
1185-70 The Pirate Movie
LVITC 0002 Raise the Titanic
1990241NL Scrooged
1051-70 The Sound of Music
EE1042 Speed
LVH 2011 Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
14.03.004 Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
082 886-1 Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
14.04.004 Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
PLFGS-33951A Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
PLFES-33831A Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
PLFFC-34741 Star Trek I: The Motion Picture
LVG-2062 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
083 928-1 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
14.03.007 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
14.05.007 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
1990261NL Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
PLFGS-33951B Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
PLFES-33831B Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
PLFFB-34751 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
LVG-2118 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
084 796-1 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
1990411NL Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
14.03.010 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
PLFFB-34761 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
PLFGS-33951C Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
PLFES-33831C Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
PLFES-33831D Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
PLFGS-33961A Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
PLFFB-34771 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
PLFGS-33961B Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
PLFES-33831E Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
PLFFB-34781 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
PLFGS-33961C Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
PLFFB-34791 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
PLFES-33831F Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
PLFGB-33501 Star Trek VII: Generations
PLFIB-33511 Star Trek VII: Generations
PLFEB-33481 Star Trek VII: Generations
PLFFB-33491 Star Trek VII: Generations
PLFFB-36261 Star Trek VIII: First Contact
PLFGB-36271 Star Trek VIII: First Contact
PLFIB-36281 Star Trek VIII: First Contact
PLFEB-36251 Star Trek VIII: First Contact
PLTEB-35221 Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - The Way of the Warrior
PLTEB-36231 Star Trek: Deep Space Nine - Triple Tribble Troubles
PLTEB-35521 Star Trek: The Next Generation - All Good Things...
PLTEB-35501 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Birthright
PLTEB-35491 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Chain of Command
PLTEB-35401 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Descent
PLTEB-35511 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Gambit
PLTEB-34341 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Redemption
PLTGB-36621 Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Best of Both Worlds
PLTEB-34331 Star Trek: The Next Generation - The Best of Both Worlds
PLTEB-35481 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Time's Arrow
PLTEB-34351 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Unification
PLTEB-37071 Star Trek: The Next Generation - Yesterday's Enterprise / Cause and Effect
PLTGS-34551 Star Trek: The Pilots
PLTES-34071 Star Trek: The Pilots
PLTEB-37081 Star Trek: Voyager - Basics
PLTGB-34961 Star Trek: Voyager - Volume 1.2
PLTGB-35211 Star Trek: Voyager - Volume 1.3
1130-70 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
1130-73 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
113035 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
1130-35 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
1130-05 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
5895-05 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
113039 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
113037 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope
604705-1 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope - Special Edition
EE1232-1 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope - Special Edition
6097-35 Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope - Special Edition
6097VO Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope - Special Edition
1425-70 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
142535 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
1425-35 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
1425-05 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
5896-05 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
142539 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
142537 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
EE1232-2 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back - Special Edition
6098-35 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back - Special Edition
6098VO Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back - Special Edition
604705-2 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back - Special Edition
1478-70 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
147835 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
1478-35 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
1478-05 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
5897-05 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
147839 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
147837 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi
EE1232-3 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi - Special Edition
6099-35 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi - Special Edition
6099VO Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi - Special Edition
604705-3 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi - Special Edition
0175 Starflight One
SC426020-2 Thayer's Quest: Halcyon System Version
PLFED-37501 Titanic
PLFGD-37521 Titanic
PLFID-37531 Titanic
PLFSD-37541 Titanic
PLFFD-37511 Titanic
PLFMD-37651 Titanic
PLFEC-33531 True Lies
52597 True Lies
EE1168 Who Framed Roger Rabbit
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 Post subject: Re: PAL Laserdisc Check Thread
PostPosted: 19 Aug 2014, 22:06 
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I've got five PAL titles so far. Two of them are demo discs and one is an 8" music video collection. Other two are feature films. Never seen an entire film on PAL Laserdisc as I don't have a compatible player. Not interested in one. I live in Sweden.
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PostPosted: 19 Aug 2014, 23:18 
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You have PAL in Sweden I think?
Some PAL movies on laser are really good quality! Better than the NTSC version en Better than de DVD.
Sadly, most of the PAL movies are from Philips.... Created at PDO-UK....
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PostPosted: 20 Aug 2014, 09:04 
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Yes we have PAL, but Laserdisc was never officially released here (though some players by Pioneer and Sony have a Swedish section in the manual). All the stores that sold Laserdiscs had NTSC.

One good thing about PAL is the selection of music available. There's lots of good stuff, mostly affordable and shipping is cheap within Europe. Most music in NTSC is only available for import from either the US or Japan and usually the Laserdiscs alone are more expensive than PAL.
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PostPosted: 20 Aug 2014, 11:33 
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I live in Switzerland and despite PAL LD's.
I do not own a single one, and all my LD players are NTSC only :D
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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2014, 02:33 
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There is a lot of people who say that the vast majority of the time the NSTC pressing has better PQ then the PAL pressing but why is this? PAL speed up aside, doesn't PAL retain more lines of resolution?

Anyway I have 3 old PAL pressings of Atlantic City, An American Werewolf in London and Pink Floyd: The Wall, but my clear favorite is the special edition gatefold of Jumanji.
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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2014, 03:03 
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alien wrote:
There is a lot of people who say that the vast majority of the time the NSTC pressing has better PQ then the PAL pressing but why is this? PAL speed up aside, doesn't PAL retain more lines of resolution?

I also think it's true that usually the best NTSC option is better than the best PAL option. However, that's not because it's NTSC or PAL.

It's just that the better mastered and better pressed discs happened to be made in NTSC-land. In principle, as I understand it, PAL should deliver slightly superior PQ (resolution as you say, the speed up issue is not a problem for PQ at all and the 3:2 pull-down for 24fps film to NTSC conversion introduces its own PQ problems). But in practice, when buying a film on LD, there is a usually a better NTSC option if only because there are usually multiple NTSC releases including those from publishers who cared like Criterion. Also, such a large proportion of PAL releases came from the PDO plant in Blackburn, which was terrible.

There are some nice PAL releases though, and the Pioneer Cinema series is superb. And Teletext is great, much better than CC!
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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2014, 17:31 
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My collection mainly consists out of music titles, if available I prefer JP, next US (except DADC), next PAL.

There are a number of very nice PAL only music titles with very good picture quality (made by Sony DADC Austria or MPO France)
Titles/Artists coming to my mind : Mylene Farmer, Jean-Michel Jarre, Patricia Kaas, Mecano, and many other french artists, even the Michael Jackson Ghosts and U2 80-90 are PAL only and are of a very good quality.

PAL movies I do not have a lot, some because they are fun (Taxi French release, StarWars UK release (Pioneer JP pressing), ...)
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PostPosted: 21 Aug 2014, 18:32 
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I own 438 PAL LDs and reside in the UK. Nearly all are music titles and most are exclusive to the PAL format.
Virtually all of my LD players are capable of playing both PAL and NTSC discs.

A small sample:

Adam & The Ants: Live in Japan (1981) [LVPL 034]
Alphaville: The Breathtaking Blue - Songlines (1989) [244 855-6]
Aretha Franklin: Greatest Hits 1980-1994 [BM 901]
Barclay James Harvest: Berlin (1982) [790 499 1]
Cher: The Video Collection [GEI-39520]
David Essex: Live at the Albert Hall (1984) [040 348-1]
Don McLean: The Music of Don McLean (1980) [PMI 90 1961 1]
Eddy Grant: Live at the Notting Hill Carnival (1980) [405.3112]
Everly Brothers: Reunion Concert (1983) [UMLV 10331]
Elkie Brooks: Pearls - The Video Show (1982) [791 559 1]
Gary Numan: Micromusic (1981) [PVC 3001L]
Gitte Hænning: Beruhrungen [405.3019]
Heart: If Looks Could Kill (1988) [080 494-9]
Hot Super 20: Various Artistes [405.3016]
Imagination: Music & Light in Concert (1982) [LVRPV 0520]
Jane Birkin: Je suis venu te dire que je m'en vais [084 428-1]
Joe Cocker: Have a Little Faith (1994) [PLMPB 01131]
Kate Bush: The Whole Story Updated (1993) [PLMPB 00871]
Michael Jackson: Ghosts (1997) [SMV 2007885]
MTV Unplugged: Finest Moments (1997) [PLMPB 01211]
Mylène Farmer: Live à Bercy (1997) [054 844-1]
Mylène Farmer: Music Videos (1997) [054 704-1]
Michel Sardou: Olympia 95 (1995) [470 091]
Mina: Live [VC CO 0105]
Marius Müller Westernhagen: Live (1990) [9031-72634-6]
Niagara: Videos [081 564-1]
Now You Can See the Music (1988) [080 546-1]
Pascal Obispo: Live 98 (1998) [COL 200819 5]
Patrick Bruel: Tour 95 - On s'était dit (1995) [74321-32912-6]
Prince: Lovesexy Live (1988) [080 844 1]
Queen: Greatest Flix I & II (1998) [PLMPD 01171]
Roch Voisine: L'emotion - Europe Tour [74321-11222-6]
Sheila: Laser Disc Video d'or [WS665-643872]
Sheila: L'Olympia [081 716-1]
Splashin' the Palace '84 (1984) [ONTV-05]
T'PAU: View from a Bridge (1988) [080 498-9]
Still Touching The Soul [CDV 009001]
Toyah: At the Rainbow (1982) [BBCV 3012L]
Urgh! A Music War (1981) [888 8909-2]
U2: The best of 1980-1990 (1999) [051 858-1]
Videohits - 20 Videostars [ONTV-04]
Videostars - 21 Top Hits [ONTV-02]
Videotheque - 22 Videostars [ONTV-03]
Wet Wet Wet: High on the Happy Side Video so far... (1992) [084 484-1]

Praxis series of promo music LDs:
http://www.lddb.com/search.php?search=praxis&sort=title

French promo music LDs:
http://www.lddb.com/search.php?search=F ... sort=title
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 Post subject: Re: PAL Laserdisc Check Thread
PostPosted: 21 Aug 2014, 22:52 
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I'm in the UK, both of my players are PAL/NTSC, not currently interested in getting more players. About 2/3rds of my collection are PAL, the rest NTSC.
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I have both PAL and NTSC LDs and I own a NTSC/PAL capable player ( CLD-925 ).

There are some very nice PAL releases out there such as the Jumanji Special Edition which is said to have an excellent picture quality.
There were some very decent late German releases from minor companies as well as French music releases from Mylène Farmer etc.

I do not understand how people can throw phases into this thread such as "I despise PAL LDs" without giving any providing any sort of logical explanation

If I like a movie I do not mind whether it is PAL or NTSC. The only "problem" with PAL LDs is they only have one analogue or one digital track.
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PostPosted: 26 Aug 2014, 13:43 
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The main problem is that there were no good players released in Euope, and that's a big issue for sure. If there was a European equilant to something like CLD-D704, CLD-97, CLD-99 etc. then I'd be interested in getting more PAL titles.
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The main problem is that there were no good players released in Euope, and that's a big issue for sure. If there was a European equilant to something like CLD-D704, CLD-97, CLD-99 etc. then I'd be interested in getting more PAL titles.


What about the CLD-925 ? That was a brilliant player !
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PostPosted: 26 Aug 2014, 14:16 
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confederate wrote:
nissling wrote:
The main problem is that there were no good players released in Euope, and that's a big issue for sure. If there was a European equilant to something like CLD-D704, CLD-97, CLD-99 etc. then I'd be interested in getting more PAL titles.


What about the CLD-925 ? That was a brilliant player !

And I'd argue that the DVL-919E is a brilliant player too. Obviously neither to 925 or 919 are "Elite" players but the picture quality I get is excellent. I've never seen an Elite player in action but to be honest I can't imagine any picture quality boost would be worth the extra price.
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PostPosted: 26 Aug 2014, 15:15 
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What about the CLD-925 ? That was a brilliant player !

From what I've heard, it's just about as good as any D5XX or D6XX which from my experience is a big step away from any above average player released outside Europe. For PAL, it's probably some of the best you can get but not so good for NTSC. If you're using an HDTV and with a good scaler, picture can be tolerable even with a European player though still not as good as CLD-97, CLD-99 etc.
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I don't have proof but I remember reading about someone in Germany who modded hld-x0s for PAL playback a few years back.

I am looking for a Theta Voyager(DVL-919 clone) and Pioneer DVL-919E so I can swap boards and possibly make the Theta PAL capable. Theta Voysger has an entire new power section with massive low noise transformers and multiple of them for each board. It might turn out to be the best PAL player if works:)
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