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Never happen, guaranteed. Smaller more compact digital devices is the future. Digital is here to stay (25 years + already). As us old analog folks die off, it will only become more prevalent. Let's just hope we (the consumer) can force them into better digital quality.[/quote]

Yes, digital will progress in every way, I was clear on that. I know the records to laserdisc comparison is played out but one fact must be considered. Did anyone, really, at the point in time when cds took over the audio market and wiped out records, ever believe new lps would be produced? If your honest the answer is no. But, it happened didn't it? Rule nothing out.

By the way, the numbers show that vinyl commands less than 1% of the market with exising CD/digital downloads and that CD sales are down in numbers to digital downloads. That tells me that low quality digital downloads are probably the reason for life extension of vinyl. Once the digital downloads become higher quality to CD standards or better, expect even CD's to go the way of the dinosaur.

Much different story for LD's. Blue Rays more than suffice in quality to LD's, there's just no possible reason to expect LD to ever reemerge again in any form. Especially since it's already dead, unlike vinyl which never died but will. I think you can attribute vinyl's life extension to dj's keeping it around. Also the expense is not so much greater than CD's in production costs, about 20 percent less for CD's, whereas digital downloads will end both alone on costs once quality matches.

Do you guys think that eventually all glue that hold the lds together will deteriorate and make all the discs useless?

All the time in the world

theres actually a pretty big cassette tape resurgance going on, idk if new blank tapes are now available or if people are just searching high and low for remaining blanks but quite a few of the local underground metal bands in my area are releasing stuff on cassette tapes

It's very unlikely that any audiophile is buying vinyl because of your above outlined reasons. This again goes back to my earlier point about what pleases the ear. Vinyl is purchased because informed people want ALTERNATIVES to digital anything (cds, downloads). Vinyl emits a different sound. Some say warmer and closer to the original intent.

When cds first crushed vinyl, djs were converting all their vinyl to cd. Few were carrying "records" around to events. It is only in the past several years that those old records are being pulled out by djs because of the resurgence of new equipment (turntables) to play them on.

Laserdisc can not 100% compare to vinyl, but the desire for an alternative to digital viewing will someday make it's re-appearance.

We have exactly 10 months and 9 Days left. It will be all over on December 21st anyway. Beyond that, maybe another week or so for any stragglers and then poof, all the laserdisc equipment and discs will be gone.

I know you're joking, but I think that Mayan end of the world stuff is crap. My reason is that I think that if the Mayan civilization was still around they would have just built a new calendar to extend on the existing one. When we get to December and flip over the page and there's no January, we don't freak out that it is the end of the world, we just go buy a new one.

As a matter of fact, the Mayan Long Count is still going on. If you ask a present-day Mayan elder whether the world will end with the present calendar cycle, his answer is effectively "no more than your car will blow up when the odometer rolls over."

There are dates past the december 21st date on the Mayan calendar. People just forget to mention that!!! I still say we only have that long though!!!

good, give me all your addresses so i can come and pickup your stuff, i'll still be here and if you aren't i make out.

Well, this "informed" person doesn't want vinyl. Sorry the numbers say that most sales, over 99 percent, don't want vinyl for whatever reason. I would call that an overwhelming vote against. As far as dj's that continued with vinyl, in my experience those that had vinyl collections and were active, many kept it alive, of course many saw the light and went digital. Always be those few dinosaurs who try to hang on. I find this argument of pleasing the ear with vinyl, absurd, and more like stubborn pleasing of the head. Well, let the numbers speak for themselves.

The only reason this "informed" collector would want either of these analogue sources is because no equivalent or (in most cases better) digital release exists. Many of these analog only releases will never be rereleased digitally. Why? Because they just are not worth it monetarily. The numbers just don't add up. Until they are for whatever reason, profitable, they will not become digital. I am sure many, won't.

Actually the deep base is better on records. CDs cant compare to it. That is about it in the differences. Other then people recording music at 96 or 128 when they should be recording at 256 or so. You can hear the difference big time there. Oh, 2 weeks is my guess for how muc time we have left in laserdisc heaven.

Well SACD and DVD-Audio are obviously of higher AQ than CD, so why aren't they outperforming CD in terms of sales? It's because that "99%" doesn't care about quality, they care about convenience. People didn't switch from vinyl to CD because it sounded better. People switched from vinyl to CD because CD is incredibly easier to use. People who want quality over convenience have always been in the minority. Sales numbers don't prove performance quality.

I did !!! And I'm sure many of the 99 percent also find CD sound better than vinyl.

I get it, you don't like analog. Believe it or not, other people like other things. The "numbers", that big 1% you refer to (if accurate) caused an industry to release several brands of new turntables and new 33 lps. Why was that done? Well, those clunky new records and turntables didn't provide convenience, did they? Could it be enough people wanted an alternative to digital, a different sound?

Yes "informed" people. Uninformed and uninterested individuals don't impact the return of new equipment (turntables, records). Try to answer my original question that keeps being avoided. WHY did vinyl come back after all those years of cds and download capability? Was it because pleasing to the ear was "absurd" as you state?" When you arrive at an answer, then maybe the light will shine through.

Also, you might get a strange reaction when you tell all those djs using lps at the last 22 events I was at that they are "dinosaurs." Analog video is dead, FOR NOW.

Why do you keep asking me the same questions I already answered? I think if you would read my answers you would get a clearer picture of why.
For one, again, vinyl never left the industry, it has been alive and well ever since cd arrived. It's cost to produce is minimal over the price of cd. (20 percent)
As long as their is a market and folks willing to buy, why not keep making the items.
I think it's not about sound quality, that folks still purchase these items, it's more to do with nostalgia & shiny pictures.
Of course they try to make the argument that vinyl sounds better, especially dj's who still use vinyl, it's a selling point whether true or not, people eat up old things, nostalgia. Like you said, most don't know what good sound is or why? Evident of their willingness to accept crappy compressed downloads. If they were to hear good digital sound against good analog, their is no doubt they would choose digital.
I don't dislike analog, it's served it's purpose. But to suppose that it will ever make a comeback is absurd.

Answer this question for me. Why would you buy a medium, analog, that was produced from a master digital source? Wouldn't it make sense that the best medium from a digital master is a digital medium?

I wouldn't buy a piece of analog media which was digitally sourced.

When I buy vinyl, I only buy the ones that say they were mastered from an analog source (most of them will say so if they are new releases or re-releases.)

Metallica's Master of Puppets re-release on vinyl sounds amazing which was remastered from the original analog multi-track tape.

Even on the fantasy thread where we made a wishlist of movies since 2001 that we'd like to see released on LD, I specifically chose movies that were shot on film, not on DVCAM.

Sorry, double post

I will answer your question, no problem. First I want to deal with some of your inaccuracies. I AM reading your responses, very closely. Vinyl has not been "alive and well" since the onslaught of cds. Your starting with a false premise. Existing and being "alive and WELL" are two different things. One could say that laserdisc still exists but is not "alive and well." I said from the beginning though that laserdisc and vinyl are not exact comparisons, just similar. NEW records were not made for TWENTY OR MORE YEARS. Although records existed and some people still used them (like laserdisc), the point is WHY produce, create and distribute NEW records (and turntables)? The format (lp) was basically dead.

You say, "why not keep making them". Again, that's where your wrong, they didn't keep making them. It's only in the past several years that they CAME BACK. To say that purchasing new records is "not about sound" is really absurd. I suppose "Sound & Vision" magazine is doing reviews on lps for the "shinny covers and nostalgia", c'mon. I don't know how old you are but you may be strictly a product of the digital age. PREFERENCES effect things. To a good number of people those preferences forced new (again) analog audio to be made.

I agree that digital is here to stay and can sound great at times. "Most people" as you say will want to hear quality downloads, no doubt. I am not arguing that the digital world will collapse and eventually no one will like it. I am telling you that as a musician in the late 70s and all through the 80s and early 90s that RECORDS WERE DONE WITH!, DEAD AS A DOOR NAIL!. The thought that they would make any kind of comeback (new records, turntables) was more than absurd. That absurdity fell on it's face. You can read article after article in electronics magazines about how incredible it is that vinyl was re-introduced into this digital era.

Your question answered: I buy what I like. Where do you get the idea that ALL (new or old) analog records are from a digital source? With your logic I hope you don't buy any NEW cds that were recorded in an analog studio and converted to digital (AAD). Unless you like only music from a certain period that wipes out a lot of your pure digital listening enjoyment.