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 Post subject: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound system
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Michael Jackson: Moonwalker (1988) [PLFEB 30171]

Played the PAL pressing of MOONWALKER a few nights ago last weekend. I didn't like the picture look at looked video textured rather than film texture. Might be the transfer process film to video? Well I have the region 2 DVD Dolby Stereo, haven't compared it yet since I watched the DVD a few years ago, and only got the PAL pressing a few months ago this year.

The Dolby Stereo mix was okay a bit bright at times. I switched ON Dolby SR to see how it played with "Smooth Criminal" side B, that added extra deep punch and crisper top end.

I first saw it on its release in December 1988 at the local ABC screen 1, last show of the day, to a near full cinema.


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Moonwalker with RATS! :lol: "There was rats dad". "Rats"? "Yeah big ones"!

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E.T. phone Jackson

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Elizabeth Taylor

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Joe Pesci

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I didn't know Sooty was in this? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound sys
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2013, 01:50 
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Your sound set up is off the charts crazy good! Makes my extremely modest Pioneer 5.1 system look like toys.
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 Post subject: Re: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound sys
PostPosted: 04 Jun 2013, 22:01 
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alien wrote:
Your sound set up is off the charts crazy good! Makes my extremely modest Pioneer 5.1 system look like toys.


Don't feel like that.

There are plenty of these cinema processors that show up on ebay once in while at prices as low as £100.00 look under OzBay for Dolby CP, Dolby Cat, Dolby cinema processor, Sony SDDS, THX monitor crossover 3417, dts cinema processor thou not much point with dts CD-ROM models you won't get much joy from it. And I have seen them sell for as low as £20.00 and I could have jumped on a half a dozen of them at any time.

I need to get the cable management at the back sorted it is a maze that gets me lost after a few months as I forget which cable goes where and I have to trace one cable to one item and it soon clicks in what I did to get it all working with common AVR. Ins and outs is all you need to know. Or you can even loop some ins and outs its all the same thing as long as it works what's that's all that matters.

I wish I didn't get involved with projection 24 years ago. :lol: at least I would be running a simple tun it ON turn OFF and that's it. I have to switch on at least

20 or more switches to watch and listen to a film at present that is. I have to power up processors first and amps on Last. Powering down Amps are switched off first and then all the processors tv projector if I run it? I have to do it in that order.

If you tuned Amps on first and processors last you'll hear a THUMB sound! Same with powering down. Always Power up Amps last and Power down Amps First.

Oz has this and this is a bit rare. But price is so, so steep. Dolby CP1000

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DOLBY-CP-55- ... 9ab&_uhb=1
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 Post subject: Re: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound sys
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Laser, I'm confused as to why you are using Dolby SR Noise Reduction on the LaserDisc of Moonwalker when Dolby SR is for SR encoded sources and SR is not a single-ended noise reduction system like the DNR system. Without being SR encoded, the SR decoding will just distort the audio since it hasn't been encoded with SR. There are no LaserDisc's that have undecoded Dolby A or SR noise reduction on them. Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just trying to understand why you prefer incorrectly decoded audio over the correct original?
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 Post subject: Re: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound sys
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disclord wrote:
Laser, I'm confused as to why you are using Dolby SR Noise Reduction on the LaserDisc of Moonwalker when Dolby SR is for SR encoded sources and SR is not a single-ended noise reduction system like the DNR system. Without being SR encoded, the SR decoding will just distort the audio since it hasn't been encoded with SR. There are no LaserDisc's that have undecoded Dolby A or SR noise reduction on them. Please don't take this the wrong way as I'm just trying to understand why you prefer incorrectly decoded audio over the correct original?

If it had distorted it I would have mentioned it.

Nope it played fine without a hitch which surprised me.

You might be thinking running analouge though the optical input Lt-Rt which I tried on the CP45 and it took some doing to lower the voltage of the signal down which I don't want bother doing again but I did manage after weeks of trail and error.

The CP500 on U1 USER 1 I can go into NR menu and switch in A-type or SR without any major issues. I tried A-type on some hissy VHS linear tape to DVD-RW and A-type whoa what a joy to hear that hiss being suppressed. SR made it sound like digital.

I can't switch in any Dolby NR on U2 USER 2 mode thou not that it bothers me, U2 format is used for internet like youtube. I can run U2, listen to some music while a film plays, and I still have to switch though SONY on SELECT modes 6 and 7.

7 is for the CP500
6 is for signal coming off the Yamaha AVR rca outputs to AUX 1 input which is SELECT 6 mode and its all wired up for 8 channels. LC and RC are used for rear stereo back surrounds on the SONY.

At present time like now 22:43 wow is it that time already! I have SELECT 7 mode on and U2 mode on, listening to nothing. Just watching TITANIC on THX AC-3. I have listened to film nearly or over 200 times. I like to chill relax to night or at present time.

Does that answer your question? If not ask me again.

I'm still deciding to wiring up the dts CAD5 to ether one of the AUX inputs and it can support dts-ES 6.1 discrete but I don't like to undo the CP500 as I listen to a lot of analouge at times and its bummer the CP500 only as 6 channel input for Format 11 and there is the 70mm mag mode nut I don't have D plug for that input at the moment to run tests.

Also why is it that some digital AC-3 dts have wads of a hiss. OMG. I didn't say MOONWALKER does I said "some" SPACE 1999 that is a noisy bluray dts. Sourced from analouge recordings but why didn't they apply some NR, Don't want to no. I'll get a few more if I can find them Dolby 363 and use some NR suppression, on all-channels as and when, with a few flicks of the switches.

I'm itching to wiring in the Dolby SRA5 I trued one experiment for fun last year with it. and I like to use that one over SRA cat card as the word is its part of S-type model and the real SR is slightly more different. When I was with UCI all booths had CP55 with SRA5 on one of the other spare formats and I forget which as I see so many CP55 on ebay that have them wired on 04 and on the CP55 I have its ready for use on AUX.

This CP55 has different face plate look over all the rest I have worked with and seen in other cinemas in the past. I'd rather have the front panel off it and swap panels around when I feel like it. :lol: otherwise same layout only its rigged up for SR-D wiring and has stereo surround cat card fitted as they come standard to play optical or 4 track mag.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dolby-Cinema- ... 232b85ab30
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Have you ever bought or tried a PanaLogic processor? Their proprietary Dolby MP Stereo 4:2:4 Matrix decoding is amazing sounding compared to Dolby's Pro-Logic decoding - the Tate DES IC based matrix decoders, which are in the CAT-150 C and D, I believe, are also better than Dolby's own Pro-Logic which starts with the CAT-150E. Since Panastereo (and their parent company SMART) is basically out of business, I'd think a PanaLogic or Panastereo processor would be cheap - and they had an incredible 70mm unit that THX even stated was the best in the biz.

I've had wonderful results combining the Hughes SRS system with Dolby Stereo decoding - SMART sold some units that has SRS in them too. SMARTS Circle Surround ES decoders make great add-on's to derive 5 across the front 70mm type sound as well as overhead - with two of the SMART boxes a Dolby Atmos type effect can be created. Of course, Atmos uses separate sound files for the extra speakers, but the in home effect is cool.
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 Post subject: Re: MOONWALKER (1988)Dolby Stereo SR Lucasfilm THX sound sys
PostPosted: 05 Jun 2013, 00:31 
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PanaLogic I head of the name and now looking at CA2000 manual. SMART I've heard those ones as well.

There was a Panastereo for sale not too long ago but me being on the cheap side the price was a teeny-weeny bit high. The seller had good pictures on it with all I think all the cards in place.

That doesn't surprise me the with SMART they do come up with SMART ideas. :lol: But the 5 front is old news now but still worthy of wiring up for fun as that is what films are about fun with the sound system. :)

I have been doing some thinking on using some outboard cheap AVR with Dolby Pro-logic II to create a kinder of stereo underneath surround fitted underneath the cinemas seats with speaker facing upwards, and let it reflect off the seat bucket as it creates a defused surround that IS all around and I pre-tested this idea I think it was very early of last year.

The way I would do it is wire One Pro-logic II to side surrounds and the Other to rear back stereo surrounds.

What effect I think! Would happen is that some sound effects or whatever some phantom sounds will be steered and placed overhead above as MONO that strips the usual centre-phantom from left and right. Okay?

The stereo below surround now how will that work depending on what mixing engineers have placed on the stereo surrounds? The decoder would have to see this way. ARR... (I have to steer this and this) to these outputs and ignore this part of the signal that is being steered to centre front, that now has new position placement on the ceiling.

What to expect from it for the below stereo surround I have no idea. :lol: I would expect to be at least different? it might work out fine or simple trail and error and experimenting and listening.

But if you have money and don't mind spending out on some cheap Pro-Logic II and getting there before I do because I'm fresh out of extra amplifiers at the moment. I could undo the Kenwood AVR in the kitchen and wire that up to stereo surrounds but that means I'd only for a short while lose the rear back surrounds but! I could test the idea in practice. But I know what it sounds like with even Pro-Logic which is fine its not great its fine and does the trick. Do you follow what I'm saying?

I'd do better with action that words. Just stuck on extra amps, just when I have an idea I'm always stuck on one item. Amplifiers. God knows how many Amps the EMPIRE is running now, must be at least 73 or more amplifiers. To think they only ran with the original THX only 15 stereo amplifiers.

Also, also have you ever heard of 12.12 system used by the $6million dollar home theater? Is that made up from scratch custom diy? I don't feel comfortable with speakers all over the floor inviting tripping over them and banging your head on the edge of the Mac amps that have sharp edges, lethal. But the 12.12 idea mmm, and does it have below or over ceiling speakers as I don't see any.


Here the test I carried out last year, took me a while to find the picture. Amazingly the seat buckets when in the up position just miss the control 1 by a few inches, so I'll have to get bundles more of Control 1.

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Also the metal seat bucket as I read in some past THX news letter or other mentioned seats with metal bottoms are normally covered with fabric so they don't have any refection issues, that was in old article somewhere I have?? Covering the seat buckets not a big deal and easy to do its finding cheap fabric that matches the rest of the seat colour or near to it.

Below surround isn't a new idea its been tried and I was introduced to Ambisonics when I was doing projection training 24 years. In the video here below surround is mentioned briefly.

Ambisonics and Periphony [part 1]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/researchandd ... rt-1.shtml
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