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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
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Last ones date from 1997(UY)
Captain Harlock is also a great tv series to have on LD


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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 07:56 
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....thank you sir, it is 800 bucks! WHAAAT ?


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ertoili wrote:
Last ones date from 1997(UY)
Captain Harlock is also a great tv series to have on LD


All on LDDb, so you don't have to read the Japanese catalogs (I have most of them too :-))

Captain Harlock: Box vol.1 (1978) [LSTD01296]
Captain Harlock: Box vol.2 [LSTD01313]
Urusei Yatsura: vol.33 [PCLA-00073]
Mirror Man: Box (1971) [COLC-3111~25]

For crazy expensive boxsets, how about the pre-order only of Urusei Yatsura: Complete TV Series [PCLA-00150] early 2000 for US$2,300 or Maison Ikkoku: Complete TV Series [PCLA-00149] (also late 1999 pre-order) for US$1,100?

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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 09:09 
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Last ones date from 1997(UY)
Captain Harlock is also a great tv series to have on LD


All on LDDb, so you don't have to read the Japanese catalogs (I have most of them too :-))

Captain Harlock: Box vol.1 (1978) [LSTD01296]
Captain Harlock: Box vol.2 [LSTD01313]
Urusei Yatsura: vol.33 [PCLA-00073]
Mirror Man: Box (1971) [COLC-3111~25]

For crazy expensive boxsets, how about the pre-order only of Urusei Yatsura: Complete TV Series [PCLA-00150] early 2000 for US$2,300 or Maison Ikkoku: Complete TV Series [PCLA-00149] (also late 1999 pre-order) for US$1,100?

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Oh thank you, already on the database
Another one: Kyojin no hoshi 78.000+78.000+45.000+78.000 it is 2.400+/- right?crazy
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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 15:27 
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Nope, that was the cost if you wanted to buy them.

Now you know why people don't want to sell them cheaply.
I would rather keep it then sell off a box that was 500 new and I paid 150 for........
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....thank you sir, it is 800 bucks! WHAAAT ?


Did you not know that this is what these things cost?

Most 50 ep TV series were about $800, usually sold in two half-boxes for $400 each. OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis, Giant Robo, etc were $100 per episode. The UY box set was...I want to say $5000? I can’t remember.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 21:48 
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This old Laser Perceptions ad from the 90s shows the UY set at $3675, which had a few hundred or so profit for them importing it. Plugging the numbers into an inflation calculator gives a cost approximately $6400 in today's dollars.

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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
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Wonder how much they really increased due to being importers.
I see those Legend of the Galactic Heroes and they are 104, would have been close to around 90-95 new, Tower Video may have had them for 85
since they had stores in Japan and would send some LDs from time to time to unload in the USA stores.

Still LD was never a cheap game to play.

Thanks for posting that, I think you may have posted before but its always nice to see.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 22:37 
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Funny enough, I think Laser Perceptions was not even profiteering that bad. The 1995 Nikaku Animart catalog textfile had it listed as such:
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Urusei Yatsura Box Set, TV Series (50 discs) .................. 4,125.00


I think Nikaku still has LDs in stock (at 90s prices). Their website has been down for a bit, but they are still around on Facebook.
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PostPosted: 31 Jul 2020, 22:51 
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I think Nikaku still has LDs in stock (at 90s prices). Their website has been down for a bit, but they are still around on Facebook.


Pretty funny if that is the case.

My hope for UY is that Discotek is able to release the series. They got more of the movies, so maaaybe. Super happy about that, I'll probably try to sell my LDs when the BDs roll around.
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 Post subject: Re: Very, very late Anime Boxset releases in Japan
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Its not a series I'm interested in but I do wonder if its due to masters?
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Its not a series I'm interested in but I do wonder if its due to masters?


I think at worst they could put it out on SDBD. They do that for more problematic stuff that just wouldn't do well on full BD. I was surprised that Galaxy Express is on proper BD.
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PostPosted: 01 Aug 2020, 04:06 
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Funny enough, I think Laser Perceptions was not even profiteering that bad. The 1995 Nikaku Animart catalog textfile had it listed as such:
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Urusei Yatsura Box Set, TV Series (50 discs) .................. 4,125.00


I think Nikaku still has LDs in stock (at 90s prices). Their website has been down for a bit, but they are still around on Facebook.


Nikaku probably does have the same Tenchi TV and Final Fantasy OVAs they had 25 years ago.

Laser Perceptions was legit. I bought stuff from him at Japan street price a couple of times. I payed $90 for Flashback 2012, that one I can remember. It was a new full price reprint from like 97 or so.

The main issue back in the day wasn’t price, it was selection. There was no used anime LD market in the US, even in downtown SF 1993 I don’t know if there was a place taking trade ins. So once stock of Bubblegum Crisis Ep 3 or Five Star Stories ran out there wasn’t any easy way to get them short of flying to Japan until eBay and even then probably eBay 2005 before you could reliably search and buy anime by particular release. Many many many of these old LDs we like were only in print one time. Therefore anyone who could get you what you wanted deserved the markup. None of these places were rich. They were for sure paying bills with that extra money.
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....thank you sir, it is 800 bucks! WHAAAT ?


Did you not know that this is what these things cost?

Most 50 ep TV series were about $800, usually sold in two half-boxes for $400 each. OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis, Giant Robo, etc were $100 per episode. The UY box set was...I want to say $5000? I can’t remember.


Not what they cost, it is the crazy price japs put on them when there was nothing above LD quality for otakus, and a rare one episode OVA on VHS also at 8.000 yen like Cosmos pink shock for example is again the crazy price they put to a cheap cassette to save the production
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I bet the sales of the UY LD Boxes were pretty low in japan and near cero outside japan
Criterion USA are 39-49$ per disc not 100, and Signatures(jap) are more than double the price of the Signatures (usa). The jap editions are hard covers and kanjis look great but crazy expensive
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Dirty pair LD Box 9 discs 54.000 yen
Nikaku animart catálog same set at 750$


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Akira criterion cav 112$,
criterion clv 53$

I say just buy the CLV and rob the Box sets from japan at nothing with patience


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ertoili wrote:
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ertoili wrote:
....thank you sir, it is 800 bucks! WHAAAT ?


Did you not know that this is what these things cost?

Most 50 ep TV series were about $800, usually sold in two half-boxes for $400 each. OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis, Giant Robo, etc were $100 per episode. The UY box set was...I want to say $5000? I can’t remember.


Not what they cost, it is the crazy price japs put on them when there was nothing above LD quality for otakus, and a rare one episode OVA on VHS also at 8.000 yen like Cosmos pink shock for example is again the crazy price they put to a cheap cassette to save the production


That is how it has always worked in Japan. The top format is very expensive because they are not targeting the common person as their market. So I think Zeta's point is what the retail price was.

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I bet the sales of the UY LD Boxes were pretty low in japan and near cero outside japan
Criterion USA are 39-49$ per disc not 100, and Signatures(jap) are more than double the price of the Signatures (usa). The jap editions are hard covers and kanjis look great but crazy expensive


Probably so, especially since you would have needed to know Japanese at the time to watch it. Plus that price point does just generally not work in the US. Aniplex and Ponycan tried, it did not go well for them. Aniplex packed up their toys in a huff but is back now with a slightly new but still bad approach.
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VHS Box 200 (this is expensive on its day) Viz Comics catalog


Eh..... Could we get back on topic?

=> Very late anime boxset LD releases (like 1999 or 2000 release).

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ertoili wrote:
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....thank you sir, it is 800 bucks! WHAAAT ?


Did you not know that this is what these things cost?

Most 50 ep TV series were about $800, usually sold in two half-boxes for $400 each. OVAs like Bubblegum Crisis, Giant Robo, etc were $100 per episode. The UY box set was...I want to say $5000? I can’t remember.


Not what they cost, it is the crazy price japs put on them when there was nothing above LD quality for otakus, and a rare one episode OVA on VHS also at 8.000 yen like Cosmos pink shock for example is again the crazy price they put to a cheap cassette to save the production


Are you saying that $80 is too much to pay for an OVA in the 80s? You do know that’s usually where ALL the production money comes from, right? So if an OVA costs $150,000 to make and there is no theatrical release and no possibility of TV and you don’t know if you’ll be in business long enough to reap the profits of a low price reprint...WHERE DO YOU GET THE MONEY? If you only charge $40 and somehow keep half of that as profit (impossible) and split the difference on manufacture you‘d have to sell 15,000 copies which is actually more than a lot of those really obscure OVAs probably sold. And that’s to make a cheap OVA. If you’re making To-y or Giant Robo things double and triple in cost quickly. You may find yourself in a situation where you have to also sell the OST on CD to every fan to not lose money.

The reason new anime sucks is that it’s controlled by cheap foreigners.

Q: “Why isn’t there anything like Project A-Ko today?”

A: Because you won’t pay $200 for it!

That really is most of not all of the reason new stuff sucks. Nobody creative and cool in Japan wants to move Korea and be hugely underpaid to make crap, the downward spiral worsens, etc.
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