|
It is currently 11 Dec 2024, 16:15
|
View unsolved topics | View unanswered posts
|
|
|
|
Author |
Message |
retrolaservision
|
Post subject: [LD-V200] Karaoke player review Posted: 15 Jul 2018, 10:15 |
Honest fan |
|
|
Joined: 07 Apr 2017, 12:35 Posts: 76 Location: Finland Has thanked: 6 times Been thanked: 9 times
|
Pioneer LD-V200The player is a karaoke player but since I don't have any Karaoke discs I can't tell how well it plays those. However I can tell how it plays movies. The player was made in 1989 or 1991 I can't really find when it was made but I have found images of instruction manuals of the player and amp that I don't have and those are the two years I have found. The player is probably one of the earliest PAL and NTSC players. The player can only play 12 inch and 8 inch Laserdiscs. It doesn't have anything fancy like s video or scart it just has AV cables so don't expect image quality to be good. Now I'll talk about how I got this player. I bought it broken (the tray wouldn't open) for 80€ plus shipping which made the price to somewhere around 95€. It came with 5 discs 4 of them PAL and 1 NTSC. All I really needed to do was glue one cogs and it worked. I haven't found this player sold much elsewhere though I did see a working one on ebay once for something like 150€. That should give the pricing. Anyway how well it plays movies. It has two settings movie and karaoke. In movie mode you can rewind the movie. The movie mode as far as I can tell only works on PAL discs though. When I want to play an NTSC disc I have to use the Karaoke mode. The first side of the disc 1 you can select a scene using the Karaoke controls also if the first side has more than 15 scenes you can skip to you probably can't watch all of the disc. (I'm not sure since I don't own a disc that has more than 15 scenes you can skip to.) In the later sides and disc it just plays all of the side meaning you cannot skip anything. (This could bad if you own a TV series disc and want to see a specific episode.) Also I'm not sure is this because of the condition of the disc or something like that but it doesn't play my copies of Star Wars Empire strikes back and Star Wars Return of the jedi. It does play my copy of new hope but my copy of new hope is newer than my copy of empire strikes back and return of the jedi. Anyway unless you find this specific player for cheap or use it only on Karaoke I wouldn't recomend it. (Update) I forgot to mention this but it has a voltage selector which is very useful because you don't have to get a power adapter to use it.
Last edited by retrolaservision on 15 Jul 2018, 20:17, edited 1 time in total.
|
|
|
|
|
rein-o
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 16 Jul 2018, 02:14 |
Jedi Master |
|
|
Joined: 03 May 2004, 19:05 Posts: 8221 Location: Dullaware Has thanked: 1324 times Been thanked: 919 times
|
rein-o wrote: So these discs are playing but not the audio?? LD doesn't work that way, only a PAL NTSC thing will make it not play, or a really bad damaged disc. Enjoy the hobby. LD doesn't work that way. If you have an analog audio disc it will play in any player. If you have a digital audio disc it will play in any player. Your player not playing a disc has nothing to do with the analog or digital audio. LD players are not really computer operated like DVD with encoding. If you put a disc in it will either play or it won't. Putting a PAL disc into an NTSC only player will prevent the disc from playing. But your situation is something different.
|
|
|
|
|
admin
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 13 Jan 2021, 01:53 |
Site Admin |
|
|
Joined: 07 Aug 2002, 23:37 Posts: 4756 Location: Tokyo Has thanked: 323 times Been thanked: 1285 times
|
signofzeta wrote: That makes even less sense!
It might be true, because karaoke is weird and this is a PAL/NTSC machine with still prototype ‘oke fucntions...but that makes no sense. Chapters are a totally optional mostly irrelevant feature. If the player needs chapters to play (possible...I guess) it’s a very very weird player. It sounds like what it needs is a full fleshed out TOC for some reason. Hmmmm that's interesting. If the player was purely dedicated to the Karaoke market, then it would make sense that a TOC with chapters is a pre-requirement to play a disc to guarantee the automation system selecting the songs loads the correct disc + chooses the correct song. Unheard of, but not devoid of logic! Julien
_________________ HARDWARE DATABASE HLD-X0/9 LD-S9 OPPO 105/205 SL-1200G LDD-1 MSC-4000 R2144 PONTUS II C45 MC257
|
|
|
|
|
rein-o
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 13 Jan 2021, 16:30 |
Jedi Master |
|
|
Joined: 03 May 2004, 19:05 Posts: 8221 Location: Dullaware Has thanked: 1324 times Been thanked: 919 times
|
retrolaservision wrote: And again the movie mode is a PAL only mode. While I haven't tested (and can't test since the player broke on me some time ago) that if a PAL disc without chapters would work on this mode. I think it would.
If your disc doesn't have chapters encoded on the actual disc you need a higher end player with that stuff built in. Otherwise it will just play CLV discs and you won't get any special trick play features. If your disc is CAV then its programmed onto the disc so you can get trick play features on any disc. BUT if no chapters then no chapters, you can make it skip with time and a remote on which should be any player but the sad part is that this player of yours no longer works. Hope you can get a working player if you don't have one already.
|
|
|
|
|
cplusplus
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 14 Jan 2021, 04:27 |
Hardcore fan |
|
|
Joined: 13 Aug 2018, 03:18 Posts: 1529 Has thanked: 456 times Been thanked: 598 times
|
If I understand it correctly: LD really didn't have a TOC, at least in the CD sense. It was instead sort of read on the fly throughout the disc in portions of the video signal not visible to the viewer. So when you search for chapter three, the player skims the disc until it hits an area marked with the chapter three code. I would really love to read this service manual to see if there is any additional insight there. You could get normal NTSC playback via test mode, but that is a hassle- especially since you own a CLD-D925. Edit: found a video here that helped explain this player to me: https://youtu.be/LINmV6ZZ-qI?t=192He says "In normal mode, you can't easily go to the next track. You can only press forwards and backwards- not directly select the next track." What happens if you select BGV while in normal mode with a chapterless disc?
|
|
|
|
|
cplusplus
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 14 Jan 2021, 20:21 |
Hardcore fan |
|
|
Joined: 13 Aug 2018, 03:18 Posts: 1529 Has thanked: 456 times Been thanked: 598 times
|
I am really curious if Pioneer might have done something like BGV flags for BGV discs? Manufacturers could insert their own codes into the lead-in and lead-out of the disc. retrolaservision wrote: Maybe it would do something if I had the other things attached? Very possible. This model is quite peculiar.
|
|
|
|
|
signofzeta
|
Post subject: Re: Pioneer LD-V200 Karaoke player Posted: 14 Jan 2021, 23:47 |
Jedi Knight |
|
|
Joined: 14 Jan 2010, 09:44 Posts: 6183 Location: Ann Arbor Has thanked: 1463 times Been thanked: 1254 times
|
It absolutely needs the other stuff attached to do everything.
Regarding TOC: technically, I’m misspeaking this. I don’t know the correct term for “all the aggregate data on the disc regarding time, chapters, etc”. I’m not sure how it’s handled, but I think the point is that karaoke machines have to be able to live queue tracks, take cash, run remotes from other rooms, etc. This is an industrial deck, non-educational, which means it was built to make money for the place it was installed in a bar or a hotel or something. Customers request a track via a book or some doodad and when their turn comes up the robot or attendant puts the correct disc in the player and they sing to it. For all of this to work the system has to be able to actually identify the disc using the time code or whatever. Nobody “puts in a movie and plays it” so such a basic function may be more difficult to do.
It only plays NTSC so it can use the same karaoke discs as the US/JP. That’s a *very* special use case when you think about it and they don’t care if anyone watches Star Wars in the thing. It costs $20,000 and generates $400 a day. The guy can buy another LD player to watch Star Wars in.
_________________ All about LD care, inner sleeves, shrink wrap, etc.
https://youtu.be/b3O-vHpHRpM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot post attachments in this forum
|
|