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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 19 Dec 2018, 19:08 |
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substance wrote: Ok basics... physics 2.....electromagnetism,
If all sides of a box is made of highly conductive materials (i.e. copper, aluminum)it’s magnetic field inside is always zero therefore called a faradays cage. Could you extend the basics for me? I understand what you are saying here I just can’t seem to make the connection to why static does or doesn’t fry the laser IC.
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 19 Dec 2018, 19:44 |
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signofzeta wrote: substance wrote: Ok basics... physics 2.....electromagnetism,
If all sides of a box is made of highly conductive materials (i.e. copper, aluminum)it’s magnetic field inside is always zero therefore called a faradays cage. Could you extend the basics for me? I understand what you are saying here I just can’t seem to make the connection to why static does or doesn’t fry the laser IC. X0 is a one big metal box aka a Faraday’s cage. Outside static energy, electrical interference, radio wave can not penetrate it. Unless a lightning strikes it, static is not your concern. It would be the heat of the lightning that damages it, not its static. The same logic airplanes can fly in clouds. An airplane is a giant Faraday’s cage.
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substance
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 19:00 |
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pbiancardi wrote: I wish I knew what you are talking about, it seems interesting... I wish I understood as well
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 20:53 |
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substance wrote: pbiancardi wrote: I wish I knew what you are talking about, it seems interesting... I wish I understood as well Pretty funny how you both own these players, I know Peter owns a scope and yet can't see or understand what he is posting from the magazine pic. Showing how the frequency is on settings from your scope. Kurtis had a video on youtube showing some of these as well, ask him, you are in contact with him, he can explain more clearly. This is the "magic" that makes one spend the extra money on an X0
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kencol
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 21:16 |
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Very interesting. I assume this is from a Japanese home theater magazine from a time when they tested players against each other? 1st image shows a resolution test - X0 is far better than the X1 if you look at the rings around the number 30 2nd image is from a waveform display of a multi burst signal. It looks like it shows the X0 peak white output level at 100% (0.7v) and the X1 at about 110%. This would mean you'd see all the video information available from the X0 but the X1 would probably clip on your display (at the time crt) and you would lose detail in bright areas of the image, similar to cranking in too much contrast on your tv 3rd image is of a vectorscope displaying colour bars from the players. Can't quite make out the differences here as resolution is too low Please correct me if I'm wrong If you have any other scans of other tests/players it would be great to see them powerofld wrote: Characteristic comparison with LD-X1 (NTSC)
Above: Monoscope Center circle → diagonal resolution X0 victory The horizontal resolution is also good X 0
Middle: Multiburst X1 emphasizes about 10% white peak X 0 is just 100%
Bottom: Color bar The bright spot of X1 is slightly larger That is because the jitter amount difference
It scans part of the magazine at the time
----------------------------------------------------- Player Pioneer LD-1000(1981) Pioneer LD-S1(1986) Pioneer HLD-X0(1995)
TBC FOR.A FA-395 (Time base collector/ Frame Synchronizer)
Scaler IDK VSC-02A DVDO iSCAN DUO
Display Panasonic TH-32LX75S(LCD)
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powerofld
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 21:54 |
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kencol wrote: Very interesting. I assume this is from a Japanese home theater magazine from a time when they tested players against each other? 1st image shows a resolution test - X0 is far better than the X1 if you look at the rings around the number 30 2nd image is from a waveform display of a multi burst signal. It looks like it shows the X0 peak white output level at 100% (0.7v) and the X1 at about 110%. This would mean you'd see all the video information available from the X0 but the X1 would probably clip on your display (at the time crt) and you would lose detail in bright areas of the image, similar to cranking in too much contrast on your tv 3rd image is of a vectorscope displaying colour bars from the players. Can't quite make out the differences here as resolution is too low Please correct me if I'm wrong -------------------------------------------------------- Hello kencol Yes! That's right It was sold in January 1995 HiVi is a Japanese audio magazine No. 1, No. 2 → That's right. Number 3 is written like this The size of each bright spot of X 0 is smaller Small luminescent point → Jitter control is excellent powerofld wrote: Characteristic comparison with LD-X1 (NTSC)
Above: Monoscope Center circle → diagonal resolution X0 victory The horizontal resolution is also good X 0
Middle: Multiburst X1 emphasizes about 10% white peak X 0 is just 100%
Bottom: Color bar The bright spot of X1 is slightly larger That is because the jitter amount difference
It scans part of the magazine at the time
----------------------------------------------------- Player Pioneer LD-1000(1981) Pioneer LD-S1(1986) Pioneer HLD-X0(1995)
TBC FOR.A FA-395 (Time base collector/ Frame Synchronizer)
Scaler IDK VSC-02A DVDO iSCAN DUO
Display Panasonic TH-32LX75S(LCD)
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happycube
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 21 Dec 2018, 23:24 |
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Any idea what the source disk is for that test? I think the X0 is the only player that got everything 'right' from a signal processing POV - I'm not sure about the static/power sensitivity thing, but it's sad that when it does break, it's generally impossible to repair. 
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pbiancardi
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Post subject: Re: Pioneer HLD-X0 Review  Posted: 22 Dec 2018, 01:41 |
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rein-o wrote: substance wrote: pbiancardi wrote: I wish I knew what you are talking about, it seems interesting... I wish I understood as well Pretty funny how you both own these players, I know Peter owns a scope and yet can't see or understand what he is posting from the magazine pic. Showing how the frequency is on settings from your scope. Kurtis had a video on youtube showing some of these as well, ask him, you are in contact with him, he can explain more clearly. This is the "magic" that makes one spend the extra money on an X0 I got rid of X0, too afraid of it breaking and me not being able to fix. I do have a scope (actually the wrong kind apparently which I just learned) but am a long way from being proficient with it. And I am still not following, we went from X0 spontaneously dying from static electricity to being a great player again lol....
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