The picture and noise reduction are the same - the W1 obviously has the advantage or playing 2 discs it also has the same honeycomb base as the S1 - its digital FX are more advanced than the S1 due to the W1's jog dial remote and it also lets you access field freeze on CAV discs for this improperly mastered films with incorrect 3/2 pulldown. The still frame is smoother looking than the S1 due to more advanced chips being available. The S1 has better audio.

If you want beauty go with the S1 - if you want 4sided play and a better remote, so with the W1. In basic pic quality they look the same and are quite a bit softer than more modern players and the noise reduction adds some odd artifacts in low level areas of the picture. The CLD-909 was Pioneer's last player to have no noise reduction, the S1 was the first with the 1010 and W1 being the 2nd and 3rd - the 1010's isn't as bad, I think, due to its red laser. Strange they didn't use the red laser on the S 1 or W1 and the W1 really should be part of the Elite line due to its construction and performance for the time.

Sorry I can't answer your question any better.

i just got my cable today, and i have to totally disagree with you about the picture quality.
yes the still frame on CLV is not top quality, for CAV its nice but does give the jitter on discs with incorrect 3/2

but playback picture quality on my projector is some of the best i've ever seen.
when i was playing Flash Gordon (1980) [41518]
my wife walked through the living room and thought it was a DVD.
it was that clear

even better than the Panasonic LX-900
i do own one and have had it connected to the projector

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OK just watched a little of Dirty Pair: Perfect TV (1985) [VPLY-70266] on my new LCD television, its a Panasonic 32 inch.
can't have anything larger due to the size of my living room and also i have the projector for larger.

WOW
this LD-S1 playing on this TV looks amazing.
i noticed that scanning through the Dirty Pair episode that it looked like a film image from a 16mm print!!!!!!!!!!!!
this flat screen and LD player only using composite look AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!

i do wish i still had the R7G to see how amazing it would have looked on this flat screen but i am very happy with
the picture resolution of this player plugged straight into the set.
just amazing.

didn't think i would ever see film like images from LD again when changing from CRT to anything newer
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That's pretty impressive since that set is mastered like crap. Its one of my best and worst LD boxes at the same time.

yeah, i had the set years ago and just picked it up again.
its not the best but it its better than some other series that i have.

i'll try to post some pictures when i get my computer going again


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i TOLD you guys that LD can look magnificent on a decent LCD HDM...

Have you ever used a digital coax cable for video? I saw on monoprice that the cables can be used for composite video, digital/SPDIF and rf audio.

I wonder if there's an improvement. I have to get new cables for my setup though I am still waiting on the LDS2

i have not tried other cables, but i don't really know if ones for digital will help any, or hurt any.
it should be as long as you have a good cable you will get a nice image.
the cable i have to the projector is from wally world, its a 50ft and gives a great image.
i did buy a cheaper quality, but not really price and it gave some horrible interference.

the cable i have from the LD to the TV is actually a white audio cable, using the yellow i have for something else
until i get an HDMI for that other device.

TV only has 1 composite and 2 HDMI and antenna.

and i never doubted you tasuke, but it did take me about 20 minutes to set it up for LD image and i used
Video Essentials AND a bunch of other films etc that i have seen many times and know what its supposed to look like
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I have to agree 10000 percent. Every player from low to high end has looked great on my LCD just using composite with no extra help

Don't forget the plasmas fellas, I have an old 42" Panasonic Viera that's become my default LD screen.

+1 for Panasonic LCD's (at least 2009 vintage, don't know about later - the 2010 model had much worse input lag/electronics, fixed in the 2011's?) - the 3D comb filtering and scaling are both quite good, and I use it with my D406 at home. Except for chroma noise noticable on solid colors, it's not far off DVD quality.

Using a CLD-79 I put the coaxial for video 1 and a regular composite cable for video 2. I connected them to the respective inputs on my Hitachi. I have the video as standard so when I switch between the two inputs and I noticed that the coaxial cable does a lot better. it is sharper and better definition than a regular composite cable so I guess I need to buy more coaxial cables from Monoprice sometime.

Coax cables are generally well shielded and 75ohm rated.
Composite video is not required to be 75ohm and well shielded. Unless its a high end cable you rarely find 75ohm well shielded composite cables. The same goes for subwoofer cables. If you need a short run subwoofer cable, you can safely use a digital coax cable. You would most likely get better performance.

seems to be a listing of a really nice LD-S1 on ebay from our good ole grasshopper.
if you have been looking for a player I would jump on this, you can find them cheaper but the risk of damage or working
is a factor.

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any chance of any screenshots from a popular film..?...so we all can compare

OK here are some pictures, very hard as my old camera won't take good pictures of moving image and the still images are
not all that great on the LDS1 due to it being an older chipset inside.

Conan the Barbarian (1981) [41018]







these are as good as they will get, there is a little bleed on the text of the second picture, but this is not on the TV when playing.

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according to the CLD-3030's service manual, it shares much of the S1's electronics for it's DIGITAL functions...

I liked my LD-S1 when I had it. I wouldn't go so far as to say best player ever, but it was low noise with a decently sharp picture. I would probably still have it if I didn't weed out some of my multitude of players a few years ago.

Does anyone know if the ld-s1 has a laser that automatically plays both sides or if you have to manually flip the disc

When was the LD-S1 made