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OMG OMG OMG It seems too good to be true! Jean-Luc is back!
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Author:  audioboyz1973 [ 05 Aug 2018, 10:59 ]
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I was just watching TNG on LD earlier today and now I literally just read this!!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-05/patrick-stewart-to-return-as-captain-picard-in-new-star-trek/10075280
Author:  audioboyz1973 [ 05 Aug 2018, 12:08 ]
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The announcement:
Author:  roger [ 05 Aug 2018, 12:28 ]
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Sadly after those dire recent movies and that awful in my opinion Star Trek Discovery, I've walked away from the franchise and I doubt if if Jean Luc Picard could make is so for me to watch the franchise again. I should point it's probably my age (nearly 60) and maybe young fans are happy with all this.
Author:  rein-o [ 05 Aug 2018, 15:50 ]
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roger wrote:
Sadly after those dire recent movies and that awful in my opinion Star Trek Discovery, I've walked away from the franchise and I doubt if if Jean Luc Picard could make is so for me to watch the franchise again. I should point it's probably my age (nearly 60) and maybe young fans are happy with all this.


They really botched the new series.
I loved the original and also back in the day TNG but since I'm older I can't get back into TNG now.

But its much better than the newer stuff.
Author:  roger [ 05 Aug 2018, 16:42 ]
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Fair enough so i'm not a lone voice then.....
Author:  signofzeta [ 05 Aug 2018, 17:57 ]
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I’m more concerned about it being super violent and “grown up” and whatnot and those things being more important than actual SciFi elements. I feel this is almost guaranteed which bums me out because I really like Piccard a lot. He’s one of my favorite characters. If his new show sucks it will be a bummer.

I liked the first two reboot movies fine. Some recent stuff I’ve heard about that lastest show pretty much confirms my dread though. It really seems like they got some people that hate Star Treck to make it. Maybe since it bombed they’ll go back to making more traditionally dorky stuff?
Author:  gypsy [ 05 Aug 2018, 19:15 ]
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Deep Space Nine is actually my favorite ST, but the original and TNG are both fun in their own ways.

signofzeta wrote:
I’m more concerned about it being super violent and “grown up” and whatnot and those things being more important than actual SciFi elements.


Ugh.
Author:  xtempo [ 06 Aug 2018, 01:15 ]
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I am watching season 4 of TNG now. I have tried watching the other ones though anything made after Enterprise I don't really care. It would have been nice for a DS9 or Voyager more. I will invest more time to OST, DS9, VOY and ENT after I finish TNG. Worst seems to be the cartoon series which I haven't been able to finish but I might try again one of these days.

I am not going to watch anything other than what I grew up watching which I caught TNG in its original run but I was young at the time so I barely remembered it. Did remember taping the last episode.
Author:  audioboyz1973 [ 06 Aug 2018, 05:40 ]
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TNG is for me easily the best. It's like one of those movies where the sequel turns out better than the original. Though also for me it's always been much more about the show than the movies. Probably why I like Insurrection when many don't; it kind of feels more like a big budget extended episode.

Of course there's so many different opinions about best series, captains etc., though I've never been able to grasp why anyone thinks Voyager was the best, but that mostly seemed to be all the late on the bandwagon types who never saw any Trek before Voyager. After watching through OS, TNG and DS9 you realise just how derivative and tired some of the storytelling has become, and outside of the Dr it's got to be one of the weakest set of characters in any of the series. Now I'm going to face the wrath of the voyaphiles!

I got into the film reboots to begin with but they seem to have just slid into standard space action schlock. The attempt at a Khan reboot was really pretty bad imho. Discovery on the other hand I'm keeping an open mind to at this point, I won't write a Trek off on the basis of the first season! I had some issues (why did we never even hear of a spore drive before) but reading a few comments from the makers season 2 will be a bit about dealing with some of those issues and consolidating properly into the Trek cannon. I'm really particularly interested to see how the Pike/Spock thing pans out.

I know some of us here love to inject a healthy dose of cynicism into things but really if you can't get at least a little exited and hopeful about a Picard return then maybe like the police officer Stewart refers to in his announcement speech you need to sit down in front of some TNG and rediscover a little bit of hope in the world!
Author:  signofzeta [ 06 Aug 2018, 06:02 ]
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There’s nothing wrong with my hope in the world. It’s my hope in ST that is depleted. I’ll be glad to admit I’m wrong though so we’ll just have to wait and see what it’s like.
Author:  audioboyz1973 [ 07 Aug 2018, 09:57 ]
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signofzeta wrote:
I’m more concerned about it being super violent and “grown up” and whatnot and those things being more important than actual SciFi elements. I feel this is almost guaranteed which bums me out because I really like Piccard a lot. He’s one of my favorite characters. If his new show sucks it will be a bummer.

signofzeta wrote:
There’s nothing wrong with my hope in the world. It’s my hope in ST that is depleted. I’ll be glad to admit I’m wrong though so we’ll just have to wait and see what it’s like.


Picard is my favourite too, so I really don't want to see this be screwed up or flop. I tend to think that Stewart is the type of person who would want to protect his TNG/Picard legacy. It's not like his career tanked after next gen and he's desperate for the money or a revival. Several reports I read named him as one of the executive producers and I'd guess having a say in the show was probably one of his conditions to reprise the role.

I'm not expecting any kind of next gen follow on or reboot (and they been quite clear it won't be that). I am very curious to see how the show develops and I'm optimistic about it, though you can never please everyone and yes only time will tell.
Author:  signofzeta [ 07 Aug 2018, 17:08 ]
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I’m a huge fan of Piccard, TNG, and the actor himself.

However, unless I imagined it, I’m pretty sure that when those Tarantino rumors were going around Stewart said that would be something he’d come back for so as much respect as I have for PS I think he is just one actor. He didn’t make any of the stuff he did a great job reading, same with his days in Shakespeare. Tarantino is a anti-human idiot. I genuinely can’t think of a less Star Trek person on Earth and while it would be a HUGE HIT I didn’t get into Trek for the devaluation of human life. It’s supoosed to be a forward looking optimistic exercise in space socialist theory and whatnot. I can’t for the life of me imagine one thing in Tarantino’s bag of (three) tricks that furthers the cause of Star Trek. He’s a sadistic caveman. If we need a new ST with people being anally raped or having their ears sawed off or tons of people getting shot in the head, we know who to go to. I’m more of an Asimov sort of person.

So yeah, I’m a Star Trek fan but I’m not a Star Trek Fan. The difference being I don’t consider Star Trek fandom to be a thing that requires you to keep the franchise going forever when when it sucks, to just be obedient and buy everything they make as many times as they reissue it. That’s another intrinsically non-Star Trek behavior that is very popular.

So we’ll see.
Author:  thefringthing [ 08 Aug 2018, 18:24 ]
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For contrast, I really enjoyed the first season of Star Trek: Discovery. But then again, I liked Voyager too, so what do I know?

I also love Tarantino, but I agree that Star Trek wouldn't be a good fit for him.
Author:  signofzeta [ 08 Aug 2018, 20:16 ]
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I finished Discovery. It wasn’t always good but I finished it and I rarely finish crap shows. Not after Lost anyway. Now I leave before the rats!
Author:  kid_dynamo [ 09 Aug 2018, 02:59 ]
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signofzeta wrote:
Tarantino is a anti-human idiot. I genuinely can’t think of a less Star Trek person on Earth and while it would be a HUGE HIT I didn’t get into Trek for the devaluation of human life. It’s supoosed to be a forward looking optimistic exercise in space socialist theory and whatnot. I can’t for the life of me imagine one thing in Tarantino’s bag of (three) tricks that furthers the cause of Star Trek. He’s a sadistic caveman. If we need a new ST with people being anally raped or having their ears sawed off or tons of people getting shot in the head, we know who to go to. I’m more of an Asimov sort of person.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't help but wonder why the world seems to have forgotten how to make positive sci-fi. I realize sci-fi is representative of the time it was made but seriously the whole point of Star trek and things like it was to inspire people to build a better future. Am I just out of touch and all people want these days is depressing crap that goes nowhere or do they think that only nostalgia can make it profitable again.
Author:  thefringthing [ 09 Aug 2018, 03:19 ]
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Quote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't help but wonder why the world seems to have forgotten how to make positive sci-fi.
In the sixties people thought the world would be better in the future. Today, we don't.
Author:  roger [ 09 Aug 2018, 23:10 ]
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Isn't that the truth.. Never a truer word spoken
Author:  rein-o [ 10 Aug 2018, 00:16 ]
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It is, we have 4K HD now :yawn:
Author:  rojan [ 25 Jan 2023, 18:29 ]
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thefringthing wrote:
Quote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't help but wonder why the world seems to have forgotten how to make positive sci-fi.
In the sixties people thought the world would be better in the future. Today, we don't.


Gene did. His vision inspired many.

But the sixties also had its pessimism. Dr Strangelove comes to mind.
Author:  takeshi666 [ 25 Jan 2023, 23:04 ]
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rojan wrote:
thefringthing wrote:
Quote:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't help but wonder why the world seems to have forgotten how to make positive sci-fi.
In the sixties people thought the world would be better in the future. Today, we don't.


Gene did. His vision inspired many.

But the sixties also had its pessimism. Dr Strangelove comes to mind.

Yes, but back then people at least tried to be hopeful. Now all we have is endless cynicism.
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