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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 21 Jun 2019, 14:17 
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Even Americans know Möbius. When my favorite manga, Nausicaa, was published here in the mid 80s he contributed a special illustration for the first issue which was made into a fold out pinup. That was maybe my first experience with the guy although at that time he was getting known here for The Airtight Garage.
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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2019, 15:05 
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Moebius also designed the spacesuit used in Alien.
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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2019, 16:15 
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Lets not forget about Philippe Druillet.
He also contributed to an amazing amount of stuff to American films and Sci-Fi.
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PostPosted: 21 Jun 2019, 16:18 
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takeshi666 wrote:
Moebius also designed the spacesuit used in Alien.


So both Geiger and Mobius worked on Alien? that's completely awesome!
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 00:44 
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Did not recall Syd Mead's contribution to Star Trek the Motion Picture..... No wonder I liked it so much more then expected walking into the theater many moons ago !

Also was not aware that Moebius designed the space suits in Alien ...

Was not going to comment on this thread until Julien listed the pictures of all those paperbacks......
All the authors he invoked struck a chord deep down inside me.

Cut my teeth on all the greats, especially Phillip K. Dick.
No limit to creativity of the mind, one must just have to have the will and the ability to articulate and transfer to PAPERBACK lol !

If anyone cares for epic original science fiction writing, check out any of Phillip K. Dick's work. Early or later years.
His method allows for very enjoyable reading and flows smoothly till the unlikely conclusion of whatever journey he has you on !
"We Will Remember It For You Wholesale" is a standout as well as "The Man in the Highcastle"
My fav is "UBIK" ....... er and "VALIS"

Check em out .....

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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 00:52 
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I liked Enterprise a lot more than some people.

Glad you said it. Very often underrated imho. Following on from Voyager just showed up so much of that show as quite tired and ordinary. When it was cancelled at Season 4 and they let loose on some pent up storylines it was just so great.

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I don’t like DS9 because it’s all about race wars and fighting and crap making it closer to Tolkien than Heinlein IMHO. It needed less NFL and more MIT.

I get that. But the show was al about doing something different as there was the TNG overlap. Star Trek still needed conflict even if not from the main characters; so if from a whole different race from a different sector of the galaxy? The Dominion were the new Klingons?

Have to say that of all the ST shows DS9 had the most fabulous group of regular character actors performing; Gul Dukat, Quark, Garak, Weyoun/Brunt, Grand Negus and many others I failed to mention; though Jeffrey Combs, Marc Alaimo and Andrew Robinson are some personal favourites.


Yeah but you thought Undiscovered Country was better than the first 4 films so all this opinion above, is invalid.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 00:55 
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 00:58 
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Gundam, for example simply never would have existed without Star Trek.


What? Gundam owes a lot to Star Wars if anything. That and the American Revoltionary wars. What from Star Trek do you think enabled Gundam??
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 03:04 
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 12:58 
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Gundam, for example simply never would have existed without Star Trek.


What? Gundam owes a lot to Star Wars if anything. That and the American Revoltionary wars. What from Star Trek do you think enabled Gundam??


Well if there wasn't ST TOS then Star Wars would have had a hard time existing so maybe that was what Zeta meant?
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 13:40 
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I don't really see the connection with either. Gundam happened because Tomino wanted to do a realistic war series but all he got funded for was another giant robot anime so he decided to do both at once. For what it's worth, the colonies in the series are based on an actual concept of what a real space colony might look like.

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Now here's a fun thing to consider; in the second episode of Space Battleship Yamato, we're shown what was essentially a holodeck to demonstrate how the crew would engage in recreational activities on their long journey. While this was never really shown again in that series, an actual holodeck (though I don't recall it being called that then either) was first shown in an episode of Star Trek TAS a year earlier. Coincidence?
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 22 Jun 2019, 17:55 
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The Gundam holds a light saber. Please explain one other thing it owes Star Wars. I may be missing something but that’s about it as far as I recall. There is SO much more that makes it to next evolution of the ideas and ideals found in classic Trek.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 00:53 
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signofzeta wrote:
The Gundam holds a light saber. Please explain one other thing it owes Star Wars.


A rebellion against an empire. A young hero suddenly thrown into a conflict, a small band of heroes on a super ship.

I dunno maybe Tomino was just inspired by Kurosawa, the same as Lucas, but Tomino had interesting timing putting Kurosawa's ideas in space as well.

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There is SO much more that makes it to next evolution of the ideas and ideals found in classic Trek.


And these ideas and ideals are what exactly..?
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 01:35 
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Moebius also designed the spacesuit used in Alien.


So both Geiger and Mobius worked on Alien? that's completely awesome!



I recommend watching Jodorowki’s Dune for how that team came up together for Dune but later used on Alien. Ridley Scott was hired after Jodorowski has been dropped off to direct Dune but later replaced by David Lynch. Scott took Giger, O Banon and others to work on Alien.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 03:51 
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The Gundam holds a light saber. Please explain one other thing it owes Star Wars.


A rebellion against an empire. A young hero suddenly thrown into a conflict, a small band of heroes on a super ship.

All of which are totally unique and original to Star Wars.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 04:03 
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takeshi666 wrote:
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The Gundam holds a light saber. Please explain one other thing it owes Star Wars.


A rebellion against an empire. A young hero suddenly thrown into a conflict, a small band of heroes on a super ship.

All of which are totally unique and original to Star Wars.


The timing is pretty interesting. Japan release date of Star Wars Summer '78 and MS Gundam debuting a year later. Light swords, a skywalker-esque unlikely hero etc,,as above.

In any case, as per my original point, MS Gundam is a lot more influenced by SW than by ST, that is clear.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 23 Jun 2019, 21:56 
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I win this one I guess. :cool:
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2019, 03:33 
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We're just stunned into silence by the amount of reaching you're doing.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2019, 04:06 
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Because of this thread, my son and I are revisiting the Star Trek series and Movies from origin to Generations....
(We are stopping there out of principle..... :roll: )

Cheers to the membership....

Thanks LaserDisc people !
Much gratitude shared over the years with you peeps
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 24 Jun 2019, 08:53 
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takeshi666 wrote:
We're just stunned into silence by the amount of reaching you're doing.


Not half as much reaching as Zeta would have to do to connect ST to Gundam.
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