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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2018, 20:34 
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ertoili wrote:
Well Led its fine and understand that some people don't want to deal anymore with second or third hand dirty old heavy washing machines like CRT tv's but there is still big advantage on the motion clarity dptment


I know what you’re saying but unless you have seen this same model of TV you’re not speaking from experience. Trust me. I have loads of CRTs and they aren’t going anywhere.
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Do you guys think there is an affordable new or newer set that can match the quality of HD CRTs? My 960 has the power board issue now and I can't find a repair tech locally. I had thought about going plasma finally but to get a nice model is a needle in a haystack and then you run into used models being sold by people either trying to hide defects or wanting an exorbitant amount of money.
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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2018, 21:22 
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Regarding newer 4k TVs, specifically Sony brand...

I used this site as a starting point for my settings: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x810c

They have extensive information and tests for calibrating your TV/monitor. Where a lot of the info you see online is questionable I trust these guys due to the level of detail and extremes they go to with product testing.

Anyway, I've been tweaking settings back and forth for a while on this TV and feel like I've found the ideal settings for LD on this display (Sony XBR55X810C). This TV has memory for each input so you can set the Composite input correctly without affecting other inputs.

Aside from the actual picture settings which I made with Video Essentials, there were a few settings that I had not initially utilized until recently. Those settings being the "Motion Flow", "Cine Motion", and any kind of Noise Reduction.

Re-visiting the site linked above I was drawn to the section on 24p playback and motion interpolation. I had avoided these settings previously because I don't like the soap opera effect (SOE) and don't want to be adding fake frames that don't exist.

Then, after reading the individual sections by clicking on the "learn more" links I realized what this was; an inverse telecine circuit! As you can see in the review, my TV handles 24p over 60i. It is a 120Hz display so it will deal with anything you throw at it.

Basically, by setting "Motion Flow" to "True Cinema" and the "Cine Motion" to "High" you are detecting 24p content that has been telecine-ed to 60i, it reconstructs the original 24 frames and then uses the 120hz refresh to do a 5:5 conversion also preserving the original 24 FPS of the film. This has made a significant improvement in clarity and motion for me.

Sony has used these terms in previous models and they have not always had the same effect. They have, in the past, been synonymous with the SOE. Depending on your model the above info may not be accurate. I can tell you that on my display I'm not seeing the SOE and watching a LD feels normal.

In addition to that, which is huge, there are built-in noise reduction circuits for "Random Noise" and "Digital Noise". I've set "Digital Noise" to "High" and that has greatly improved titles that aren't as clean as some of the latter releases. Cleans them up really nice without artifacts. I don't notice any improvement with the built-in VNR on the CLD-D704 but I think that only applies to S-Video output anyway, which this TV does not have. If I toggle it on/off it doesn't seem to negatively affect a title that already looks decent so I leave it on for now (I'm watching the Connery Collection, Goldfinger and it looks great zoomed in).

Blacks are like midnight.
Colors and resolution are insane.
Motion is accurate.
SW zone plate is clear when still.
Zoom works great.

My only complaint is that there is overscan. I can't see the edge of the SW test plate in any direction. Feels punched in. Has nothing to do with the bezel (at least on the L/R sides). It isn't terrible but it ain't right either :(

Here is a cell phone photo of the screen so you can draw your own conclusions:

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I hope that has been informative and maybe even helpful.
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 Post subject: Re: What are you using to upscale your LD Player on New 4K T
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i've been contemplating stepping up to a 50in. 4k lately,
but the models i'm looking at in my price range all lack Composite input/Analog video processing.

anyone know where i might find a good external COMPOSITE VIDEO/HDMI Converter/Upscaler unit?

would one of these be any good?

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PostPosted: 03 Nov 2019, 03:04 
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Has anyone used the Open-Source Scan Converter (OSSC) for analog SD home video? It's beloved by the retrogaming community.
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PostPosted: 03 Nov 2019, 03:37 
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thefringthing wrote:
Has anyone used the Open-Source Scan Converter (OSSC) for analog SD home video? It's beloved by the retrogaming community.


That doesn't have composite and s-video input afaik.
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It doesn't really have video applications afaik. It's just a line doubler so it lacks all of the advanced controls that a Lumagen, DVDO etc will give you.
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PostPosted: 03 Nov 2019, 10:29 
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"upgraded" to a Lumagen XD a few months ago.
Took me some time to learn about every possible setting in the menu but it is great unit.
got it fairly cheap so no complaints on the purchase price. Always was sceptic about paying the money the things go for.
I love having all those spare inputs. makes experimenting with several players very easy.
The de-interlacer and dynamic contrast settings are a bonus.
being able to make several settings per input is great for Japan or US black level settings without having to switch input mode.
I'm a fan.

It fell in my lap in a way. would never have paid the crazy prices they go online

Sold the dvdo since I had no more use for it.
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 Post subject: Re: What are you using to upscale your LD Player on New 4K T
PostPosted: 09 Mar 2020, 22:51 
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I've got a Sharp Aquos 55" 4K smart TV from 2016, and whatever filtering it's doing to the signal from my LD-V2200 is actually quite good. It looks great!

I can see a huge difference versus plugging it into my computer, where I see a lot more noise that the Aquos effectively eliminates.

1 month later edit: I filmed this last night to show how it looks to a friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7b-NP5DjI

The phone camera does a bad job getting the right colors and exposure, but you can still see that the picture is very sharp and clear. In person, this isn't far off from DVD quality.


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I use a Micomsoft Framemeister. Not cheap, but it works perfectly and serves as an upscaler and an HDMI output for capturing.

I used to have all sorts of stuff, DVO VP's, Edge and some.other stuff but the Framemeister does it all in one for me.
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PostPosted: 16 Apr 2020, 22:11 
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mikechambers wrote:
I've got a Sharp Aquos 55" 4K smart TV from 2016, and whatever filtering it's doing to the signal from my LD-V2200 is actually quite good. It looks great!

I can see a huge difference versus plugging it into my computer, where I see a lot more noise that the Aquos effectively eliminates.

1 month later edit: I filmed this last night to show how it looks to a friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt7b-NP5DjI

The phone camera does a bad job getting the right colors and exposure, but you can still see that the picture is very sharp and clear. In person, this isn't far off from DVD quality.


This looks really good!
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