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 Post subject: How many are satisfied playing LDs on their LCD display?
PostPosted: 04 Dec 2011, 20:11 
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I prefer direct view or projection CRTs for ld but sometimes play my lds on an lcd display. Some discs appear good with the proper hookup and tweaking, but overall, I don't think lds look that good on lcd. Whats your experience with lcd and laserdisc?
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I find the my setup is ok. Some discs are great looking but considering the format is older than BD I'm just happy to watch on a screen that weighs considerably less than the Sanyo 32" CRT I have and to have a 5.1 system finally after years of listening through stereo for soundtracks that are 5.1 so as to not hear everything proparly.
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PostPosted: 04 Dec 2011, 22:57 
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I've two active setups - a LD player connected to a Sony CRT and another where it is connected to a JVC LCD.
The CRT is much smaller in size than the LCD so the distance I am sitting watching it is correspondingly much closer.

If you are really close the CRT always looks better but at the distance I am watching the LCD it looks extremely good given the size.
I even found that some flaws or artifacts (speckles) normally visible on the CRT did not show up at all on the LCD which is a bonus!

In fact I regularly sit and watch just VHS through the LCD and find it very watchable although I am upscaling all video sources before they go to the LCD display.
A huge amount also depends on the quality of the source material. I've some Japanese VHS concerts that are so good you would struggle to tell them apart from a laserdisc.
A few 2011 blu-ray discs look no better than DVD through the LCD and others look stunning so the source material is a significant factor when making any sort of comparison.
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PostPosted: 05 Dec 2011, 00:51 
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I find the opposite, I see more speckles and artifacts with lcd than crt.
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I dont have LCD television... on my setups they look perfectly fine on 42" plasma, direct view 34 inch CRT, 9 inch CRT projectors, and LCoS Projector!
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to be honest. it is not that satisfactory to watch an LD movie on my 50" plasma without any video processing.
therefore, i set a VP30 for my CLD-D99 and HDQ for my HLD-X0.
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I haven't got a huge LCD, just a 32" Panasonic. Laserdiscs look pretty good on that one (so long as you're using a decent player.)

Haven't tried any LDs on any larger LCDs. Biggest HDTV I've tried any of my LD players on is my friends' 50" plasma. LDs looked good, not great, on that one too.
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I find that you need a good video scaler and you can view them quite nicely on hidef TV's (LCD or plasma) or projector (which is what I use). I think a lot of people are plugging the output directly into their TV or into a cheap receiver with a poor/cheap scaler. Generally if the receiver documentation doesn't tell you what kind of scaler chip they're using then that's a pretty big warning sign that it's going to be low quality. The problem I have with CRT's is that they are so damn small (although using a 150 inch projector screen makes most displays seem small to me).
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PostPosted: 13 Dec 2011, 20:31 
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I watch discs on my 42 inch off brand LCD using my CLD-D704 and I find the quality to be very pleasing. I have a DVD recorder and did try using it to upscale to 480p over component, but I don't have as many options to adjust on component as I do composite, and I don't like how it looked, so I just stick with my straight composite connection. Maybe my TV just has a really good scaler, or at least a decent one.
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PostPosted: 13 Dec 2011, 20:38 
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I watch discs on my 42 inch off brand LCD using my CLD-D704 and I find the quality to be very pleasing. I have a DVD recorder and did try using it to upscale to 480p over component, but I don't have as many options to adjust on component as I do composite, and I don't like how it looked, so I just stick with my straight composite connection. Maybe my TV just has a really good scaler, or at least a decent one.


There are probably good LD player / TV combinations that just "work well together." In the early 2000's they released a lot of high end scalers when HDTV's really started to take off but a lot of content was still in standard def. Sometimes you can find these in high end audio/video dealers. They would often cost a few thousand dollars but now you can buy them used for much less. I use the scaler in my receiver which uses a Reon scaler chip. This was of course a $2k receiver when it came out so it ought to have better components than something bought at walmart. So far it's worked really well and the picture retains its "analog" look which is nice.
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PostPosted: 13 Dec 2011, 22:13 
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Well I only have an LCD projector that can only go up to 1080i HD but for LD its somewhat down in the lower grade and its a bit smeary looking, so I go with Panasonic CRT 32” direct-view for watching laserdiscs very rare I might ever use the LCD projector.

As for tweaking around with brightness contrast levels and colour, I haven’t given it any thought as yet?

^^^Some video scale devices are bit expensive.

I might try something in moment with Laserdisc on the projector.
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PostPosted: 13 Dec 2011, 22:42 
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laserbite34 wrote:
Well I only have an LCD projector that can only go up to 1080i HD but for LD its somewhat down in the lower grade and its a bit smeary looking, so I go with Panasonic CRT 32” direct-view for watching laserdiscs very rare I might ever use the LCD projector.

As for tweaking around with brightness contrast levels and colour, I haven’t given it any thought as yet?

^^^Some video scale devices are bit expensive.

I might try something in moment with Laserdisc on the projector.


One important thing is calibration, especially if you watch DVD/blu-ray content on the same display. Most LD material is mastered at 8.5 IRE vs 0 IRE for other media so images without proper brightness and contrast levels are going to look very poor. Calibration should be the first step before any hardware changes (in my opinion). What's nice about my Epson 8700ub projector is that is has preset memory settings so I can switch from one setup to the next very easily. Also, picking up the LD Video Essentials calibration disk is a must. I would say it's the most important LD in my entire collection as it allows for good picture quality on all my other LD's. As for my DVD/Blu-ray calibration I used Avia (I like how they have the 3 filter setup vs THX's single filter).
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PostPosted: 13 Dec 2011, 23:03 
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Well I only have an LCD projector that can only go up to 1080i HD but for LD its somewhat down in the lower grade and its a bit smeary looking, so I go with Panasonic CRT 32” direct-view for watching laserdiscs very rare I might ever use the LCD projector.

As for tweaking around with brightness contrast levels and colour, I haven’t given it any thought as yet?

^^^Some video scale devices are bit expensive.

I might try something in moment with Laserdisc on the projector.


One important thing is calibration, especially if you watch DVD/blu-ray content on the same display. Most LD material is mastered at 8.5 IRE vs 0 IRE for other media so images without proper brightness and contrast levels are going to look very poor. Calibration should be the first step before any hardware changes (in my opinion). What's nice about my Epson 8700ub projector is that is has preset memory settings so I can switch from one setup to the next very easily. Also, picking up the LD Video Essentials calibration disk is a must. I would say it's the most important LD in my entire collection as it allows for good picture quality on all my other LD's. As for my DVD/Blu-ray calibration I used Avia (I like how they have the 3 filter setup vs THX's single filter).


Well since I don’t have that option I have to manually adjust and it doesn’t bother me that much. I think they should stick this gadget you’re talking about as mandatory or better still stand-alone to be added onto AVR receivers for £100.00 pounds and no higher than £100.00.

In the meantime and until I can figure how to get the camera to take a decent picture without the tint of green in the gray scale or whatever because I can’t see it but the camera is picking it up or its adding it to the picture. It can’t be lamp its hardly been used and lamps I found one for less than £100.00 new in the box on eBay and that’s about the right price!

Also when pursing the laserdisc on Pioneer DVL-909 it doesn’t help as its adding in a bit of stepping noise. The CRT 32” is barely visible behind the bed sheet below. I left it turned on as I’m only going to have the projector on for a short while

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I’m wondering if there might be something mildly up with LCD projector I like to get it open to clean carefully around the LCD and lens from the inside of any grim that might have built up inside over the years as it is second/hand with new at the time fitted lamp, which has hasn’t even had 100 hours use out for almost 3 years. I might watch one or two films on it from start to end but mostly use the CRT even for bluray as some aren’t worthy enough to be put on the projector and 2012 was one such film that I won’t get back my 2hrs + of lamp time. :thumbdown:
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PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012, 22:18 
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I have a 59" plasma that is perfectly adequate for watching LDs on. Sure, it might not be the best possible quality.....a CRT or something else would be better.....but, at that size, you can't beat how good it looks.
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At 65 inches some of the stuff begins to lose stuff. I am still looking for that perfect combo, though I do have it upscaled and running through a dvd burner with HDMI.
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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012, 13:36 
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Personaly, i think laserdics looks crap on lcd/plasma compared to projector systems. In my case, i dont have a room that is suited for projector. So the best solution for me is a rear-projector, which I think is a awesome way to watch laserdiscs :)

But I do in fact use DVDO iScan pro scaler, which gives me the possibilty tweak the settnings abit


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PostPosted: 29 Jan 2012, 13:55 
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i am watching on an lcd tv, i used to watch on a 61" jvc pro rear projection which i miss, it took me some time to get used to watching 'anything' on the lcd, even though at the time of buying it, it was a mid-range quality sony model. i like crt's quality more for pretty much everything - if you discount resolution being a factor.
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im using a LG 47inch LCD for my LD playback. I do have a Onkyo with a built in upscaler but it gives mixed results so instead i run it direct to the TV, it plays at 480i and ive adjusted the contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness and the backlight to get some good results. I also set the noise reduction up too the highest setting.
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Well I think I have found a pretty good match. My players being Pioneer cld-1030 a cld-3030 and a cld-53

I now have 2 small (identical model) Toshiba 19" LCD to try first. One dated 2008 and the other 2009 mfg date. I tried all my players going from the LD directly to the TV (not through the DVD recorder) The picture looks good, and a still picture is almost totally jitter free with both TV. (same results) so I'd say a good match. Anyways they made different sizes, and it's the AV500U series. I'm guessing the larger ones probably would have a similar match, and being a few years old now, used prices should be cheaper now.
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im using a LG 47inch LCD for my LD playback. I do have a Onkyo with a built in upscaler but it gives mixed results so instead i run it direct to the TV, it plays at 480i and ive adjusted the contrast, brightness, colour, sharpness and the backlight to get some good results. I also set the noise reduction up too the highest setting.


I also use my Onkyo to upscale the image onto a 150" projector and I get almost no artifacting. What upscaling chip does your Onkyo use and what model Onkyo is it (My model is the TX-SR875, it uses a Silicon Optix REON VX Video Processing upscaler)?

I think it's absolutely critical to use a good upscaler when going from standard def analog to 1080p digital and the lack of good scaler is probably the number one reason why LD often does not look good on high def displays. Unfortunately, descent upscalers cost a lot of money and people don't want to invest in this. However, most people are also spending thousands on their TV's so if you watch a lot of LD, it may be a worthwhile investment in the long run.
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