Best lumagen alternative is bluray. Sell all your lds and buy them in bluray. There is nothing that isn’t on bluray beside the gout star wars and very few titles:

Unfortunately this is true.

Unless you are a major die hard anime collector or 1970s-80s D grade comedies there isn't much on LD anymore.
EDIT: Also rare music discs.

They even released the original LD cut of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on DVD and Bluray, although it doesn't have the original title cards
its still the better cut before scorcheesie added the extra scenes back in.

That's no fun lol.

I appreciate what Criterion does with BDs, but I love the old film look on LD. I wouldn't want Errol Flynn Robin Hood on another format.

thanks for coming Mr. uderman

ok, sorry if I sound rude but I don't like this
I always disliked this X is better than Y, it's a per-movie ting.
I mean it is true on BD finally we can see flicks on their full glory. For example I got all the Bruce Lee films from Shout. Not only they look fantastic but finally I can watch them with original Chinese dub

however in the end it boils down to what you watch, really
I don't watch the hollywood junk, except some classics, anyway up until the late 80s or so
As mentioned I'm mostly into Anime and HK movies. There is TON of stuff never released on DVD, let alone Blu-Ray. Even if released on DVD/BD, many times they are botched releases.
Out of curiosity I watched Aliens on BD, borrowed from my friend. And I was just unable to look at it. It didn't seem the same movie.
I mean it used to be a "blue" movie (as for most of Cameron's), now it's a green movie...if you know what I mean..


well substance said it all
you wouldn't believe how many Anime with bad edits there are on LD
Some other, while shot on 16/35mm film, have video parts at 30fps
Anyway the big problem with the CII force film mode is when feeding an interlaced source, say 480i and de-interlace it to a progressive one, at 72/96Hz it just didn't work


if you read the forums at curtpalme.com you will learn that a Moome HDMI card is pretty much a must with those projector, because of the increase in Bandwidth
without that I could never output a 960p signal at 96Hz refresh rate

I had that set with both the DVD and Bluray, very disappointed in the actual sleeves if thats the same one you have.
But the transfers were amazing, I did end up selling it and picked up a box set of DVDs that also has Chinese dubs etc but not as much
as that box.

For me its more about the movie first then format second, but right now I'm sticking with LD and DVD.
I feel that DVD will be a hidden value like early pressed CDs and these other valuable films LaserDisc

Those bad dubs of Chinese flicks are almost an art form. But yeah it's awesome when they get a proper release now.

these are the ones, not sure if they also had a similar DVD release, of course I could be wrong
https://www.amazon.com//dp/B01LRCDYYI/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRCDYNY/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06VSTRMYH/

did you know the covers are double sided?
on the inside/other side it's the original art
http://www.thebigmoviehouse.com/2017/05/bruce-lee-hits-big-screen-in-fists-of.html

cool thing yeah but still I always hated those tiny and blue Blu-Ray cases

For anime I think DVDO is the only one which will lock onto any cadence and probably deinterlace.


A true ld enthusiasts device would be,

-Analog devices adv7800 for 3D comb filter
-Anchor Bay Abt2010 for deinterlacing
-Faroudja TruLife for imagine enhancements
-Algolith Mosquito for noise reduction
-Lumagen scaling and color management

Put all this in the order above to a well built box with a killer low noise power supply there you have the best video processor for any source analog and digital.

So if I:

Connect my LD player to DVDO Duo and output 480P without any scaling.

Pass 480p through C2 for some truelife.

Pass 480p through Mosquito for NR

Then to Lumagen for scaling.

That's the multi-box Frankenstein version!!

I'm not sure you're not losing some image and sound quality / latency due to amount of connections...
I personnally decided to buy a lumagen, because, even if I could get sometimes near quality with my others units combined together, I had many bugs due to multiple connections.

interresting... Substance, do you think then that LD -> Edge ( adv7800, Abt2010) -> Lumagen (scaling) would be better than lumagen alone ?

I think he's saying if someone built an all in one box with all of those things built in.

Perhaps, but we don’t know if any of these boxes do any other molestation beside what they claim they do. For Lumagen, we have Jim. You can ask him if any conversions or side processing are done if you only use scaling. DVDO and CII operations are undocumented and no internal engineer to answer.

I know for a fact, all signals has to go thru the gf9450 chip in CII. Gf9450 chip works only is 12 bit 4:2:2. So there is at least color space conversions and upsampling. Gf9450 also rolls off above white which shows on test material but they claim no real world video should suffer. Algolith is a total mystery in terms of what’s inside. It’s totally custom fpgas.

Jitter would be another issue. Each hdmi transmiter/receiver will introduce jitter.

After all above, do i think the damage would be big enough to be noticeable? Probably not but maybe;)

Yes I meant a custom circuit design that incorporates these technologies in one box.

I think an fpga solution would be much more efficient and even doable. Even the 3D comb can be done in fpga.

Analog inputs-> multiplexes (input switch) -> analog to digital converter -> fpga -> hdmi controller -> hdmi out

You can’t port locked code from ABT or Algolith but open source codes for each operation. They can be tested on material and similar or close enough ones can be put on fpga. Therefore in the fpga,

Tbc
3d comb
Deinterlacing
Image enhancement (detail)
Noise reduction
Geometry (aspect ratio)
Scaling
Color management

Can be done. You can skip the last 3 and use an older lumagen box as those can’t be bested. In the above scenario, I would also skip the analog to digital converters and tap into LD players TBC via digital SDI.

This would take a couple of years to develop with a small team of part time contributors and probably $2-3k per box (with no profit) due to small production numbers.

maybe even $1-2k if you output in DVI instead of HDMI no ?

I don’t think so. I had them all before. I had them all together at the same time to be able to compare. Lumagen as a single box solution is %95 there. You can complicate your setup with more boxes for a mere %2-3 improvement but face other issues.

Yeah lumagen deinterlacing is behind DVDO but it’s still the second best and it’s not a distant second. Noise reduction is bad on all of them except Algolith but use a player like CLD-97, LD-S2 or HLD-X0 then you have virtually no noise anyway. Faroudja TrulLife is good for enhancements but only in custom settings and when very mildly applied(like 1 click). But then you deal all of the issues of the antiquated deinterlacing of Faroudja and color shift bug.

I compared them all. None were perfect but Lumagen 2144 had the least compromises. All of it’s functions were either best or a close second. Also like Peter mentions on many discussions, it is a modern box which can process all modern standards up to 4K. You can hook up all your analog and digital devices and they all will benefit one way or other.

At one point I had 2 CIIs, 3 Algoliths, 1 Faroudja, 3 Lumagens. It was an easy decision for me. I ditched them all and kept 2 Lumagens. I now have Lumagen 2144 for analog sources and 4449 for all digital including 4K.

Well HDMI requires licensing therefor cost a lot. I personally like SDI as it is pure digital like HDMI but no copy protection or other crap. You don’t deal with digital handshaking or anything. Unfortunately only professional monitors have hd sdi inputs.

$1-2k? Possible. But how many units do you think you would sell? I think 50 tops. That’s the issue.

If you build it I'll be your first customer!!!

And I think the statement that none is perfect but Lumagen has the fewest compromises is 100% accurate, right now you lose something on most every setup, there is no perfect solution.

If you build it, they will come...