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cineasten
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Post subject: [CLD-R7G] How good is it? Posted: 30 Oct 2019, 14:55 |
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I'm looking into buying the Pioneer CLD-R7G. Most comments about the player I've read on (several) online forums are favorable, and all of them put together would place the R7G somewhere below the crème de la crème, X0, X9, 97, and S2, but with very good players such as the 99, S9, and slightly better than the 703/04. Is this a fair assessment?
Also, I've read several comments talking about that you should use the S-video connection with the R7G since it's composite out is only of mid level quality. Is this the case? I've got a Panasonic plasma ST60, which lacks the S-video input, so composite is my only way of watching LD's. Although the 3D comb filter in the ST60 is pretty good (I don't really have anything to compare it with, but it does make a significant difference when compared to it being shut off). Finally, what do you think would be a fair price for the R7G in good working condition with the original remote? Looking forward to some input.
Note: I should mention that I appreciate an "analog" look when it comes to watching movies. That's why I prefer some LD titles over their DVD counterparts, so players that make movies look overly digitized, sharpened and DNR'ed are out.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 30 Oct 2019, 22:09 |
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It’s a very good player. Better than many Elite models that came before it. You should hook it up both ways and judge for yourself which is better. We can’t tell you anything you can see with your own eyes looking at your own stuff in your own room. In period the s-video output was intended to be best but these days there are many ways of handling video better than the best stuff from back then so composite may very well work better on your setup. Calibrate the display to the player using Video Essentials (1996) [ID3487ISF] and turn the brightness and contrast WAY WAY down and you’ll be happy with the image of this player on any decent TV. If you try to make it as bright as your Blu-rays so you can watch it on a 100” screen with all the windows open on a sunny day expect it to look like blown out aliased crap.
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 15:27 |
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laserfanhld-gb wrote: Finally I thought R7G image did tend towards the digital look which is no surprise for such a late player, perhaps you should be looking to obtain something on the lines of a CLD-97 or similar for that smoother more analogue kind of image you mention is your preference? While I never really noticed this I have heard this many times. And yes, if you are looking for an analog image 97 or even older player like the Tatsuke fave 3030 but that's a single sided player. You could look for any of the 3070, 3080, CLD-91 or 92 they are older but will give you the best bang for your buck in a certain price and age range.
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nissling
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 31 Oct 2019, 22:41 |
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Kul att se fler från Sverige på forumet! Om du har hittat en R7G i Töcksfors är det med all sannolikhet min gamla. Like mentioned before the composite output doesn't offer anything too special (you've got noise reduction for chroma and luma but those work best in S-video), but when actually using S-video I found it to be a good player for sure. Excellent comb filter with very little rainbowing and practically no dot crawl. Quite stable image overall. I clearly prefer it over the traditional PAL/NTSC players like D515 or D925. Got some screenshots from the R7G for you here if you'd like to see. https://www.minhembio.com/Filmsamlaren1/350951/
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 23 Jul 2020, 03:06 |
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ertoili wrote: If you have a good comb filter inside your composite monitor, maybe you dont need the expensive R7G Yes but you usually need a CRT for that I believe? Back in the day my setup was an R7G and nice CRT that I can't remember who made it. It was not any flat or super flat and did have a 3DY comb filter built in. But it only lasted about 7 years and then after caps went I decided to go LED flat screen and it works fine.
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 29 Jul 2020, 18:16 |
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elahrairrah wrote: ..the NEC comb filter in the R7G is arguably the newest and most advanced in any LD player I'll substitute arguably with definitely and only the H9 shares it (in an overall lower video noise design). About the only ways to beat this comb filter might be with the Texas Instruments TVP 5160 as in the Crystalio II or Lumagen HDQ (though this is an old design now itself) or definitely with the Analogue Devices 3D comb filter as per the Lumagen 2144 or DVDO Duo (ADV7800) or other of their chips like the ADV7842, in favour with many LD fans for it's current availability on an evaluation board.
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odotb3
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 15:33 |
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Quote: Analogue Devices 3D comb filter as per the Lumagen 2144 or DVDO Duo (ADV7800) or other of their chips like the ADV7842, in favour with many LD fans for it's current availability on an evaluation board. I was interested in getting one of these to play with. I did a quick search but didnt come up with anything. Do you know what websites are selling these eval boards in the uk?
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 30 Jul 2020, 20:57 |
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takeshi666 wrote: The G means it has built-in LD+G decoder, doesn't it? I don't know, I guess it could be. This player does have the decoder built in.
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 11:01 |
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odotb3 wrote: Never use D-ext because it crushes blacks. Adjust brightness on your tv for improved picture. Fair enough, like i said i use tv settings but my eyeballs find in some Jap titles look better with D-EXT
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Post subject: Re: How good is the Pioneer CLD-R7G? Posted: 31 Jul 2020, 16:48 |
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odotb3 wrote: I was interested in getting one of these to play with. I did a quick search but didnt come up with anything. Do you know what websites are selling these eval boards in the uk? Digikey, they have an "Australian website" in AUD but the board still shipped from the US; not sure if they hold any local stock at all. Called their support number and ended up talking to someone in the US. Possibly the same situation for the UK?
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