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| Author: | coolcatdaddy [ 08 Dec 2015, 01:17 ] |
| Post subject: | [CLD-3030] Troubleshooting |
I picked up a CLD 3030 and I'm having some trouble with it. I was wondering if someone familiar with this model might have some ideas. When I turn it on, it makes a fast, repetitive clicking sound, as though a gear isn't catching quite right. If I put in a disc, it will spin up and usually just search and not play. Sometimes, however, the clicking sound goes away and the disc starts playing for a couple of minutes, then the clicking starts again and the disc gets stuck or repeats a spot and eventually quits. I popped it open and I've isolated the clicking sound to a set of white plastic gears near the front of the player. There's a motor and gears near the front of the rail that the laser mechanism tracks on. I can't see anything obviously wrong there. I noticed that if I put my finger on the back end of the rail, it moves the rail up and down. At a certain point, the clicking stops. Anyone see something like this before? Suggestions? |
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| Author: | coolcatdaddy [ 08 Dec 2015, 03:25 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
I popped open the top of the CLD 3030 and I think - but I'm not absolutely sure - that one of the gears has teeth broken off. Is there anyone who has this player that could confirm this with their unit? Here's what I'm seeing. Near the front of the player, near the small motor next to the rail, there's two white plastic gears, one on top of the other. The one on the bottom is missing some teeth - the clicking sound I'm hearing is when the missing teeth come around and the gear sticks. Is this supposed to have teeth all the way around or are they broken off? If this gear is supposed to be missing some teeth is there another reason that it would be turning around too far and not stopping. The motor and gears start as soon as you turn on the player. You can see them with the cover off and the try open. The gear with the missing teeth will reverse direction if you move the rail slightly up and down. Again, if anyone has a CLD 3030 or a player with the same chassis, I'd appreciate it if you could take a look and let me know. Thanks. |
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| Author: | tasuke [ 08 Dec 2015, 17:37 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
someone else here just recently had a similar issue with the 3030 they just bought. being involved in auto body repair, he was able to use auto grade adhesives to repair his gearwork. so far, AFAIK, his repair has held... |
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| Author: | maraakate [ 11 Dec 2015, 13:28 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
Tasuke: Yes, the repair has held up very well. Coolcatdaddy: It's the smaller gear that's under the long shaft in front? There's big gears on each end of the shaft and those broke for me. |
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| Author: | tasuke [ 11 Dec 2015, 18:29 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
guess i was simply damned lucky that i've had two 3030's and a 1030 shipped to me over the years, and none of them arrived with any sort of apparent damage to any of that evidently distressingly fragile gearwork... |
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| Author: | maraakate [ 16 Dec 2015, 00:24 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
The gears are really large but I think they may suffer the problem that odometers from late 80s to early 90s suffered... Basically, around that time there was some new style grease and plastics for plastic gears and the grease works properly but over time the grease actually starts to make the gears become brittle and usually a tooth will break off. From what I understand it affected mostly cars from about 1988-1993 or so. I even own such cars with this problem. It's quite possible this same advancement in technology was inherited to electronics. As long as the gear didn't shatter into like 8 small pieces all over the place you should be able to re-glue them and apply new grease. My only other theory on the gears shattering from my player was possible the grease was hardened because it's cold out in Pennsylvania and the box was sitting outside all day and who knows how cold it was on the journey from California. So maybe I should have waited a few hours of it sitting in doors for the grease to warm up before trying it. Though, the guy did ship it with just some stuffed newspaper in a used box that was collapsing in on itself. |
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| Author: | maraakate [ 16 Dec 2015, 00:27 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
Also, I'm unsure of their pricing and I have no clue how much of a problem this is with the CLD-3030 but the people who make replacement gears for this era of cars will make custom gears as well in small batches: http://www.odometergears.com/about.php Quote: If you have a part that you would like to have made we have several options available depending on the quantity of parts you require. For both options we need a good part with no defects (missing teeth, gouges or missing pieces). If the part is broken into pieces we would need all of the pieces and preferable the shaft that the part goes onto as well as the mating parts that the part meshes with. If you only need a few parts we can produce them in a vacuum camber system using a two part epoxy material, which this greatly depends on the use of the part. If you need larger quantities we would recommend having a mold manufactured that we can use in our injection machine. We will send the parts to our tooling company in North Carolina to have them estimate the cost of the mold. The mold would be purchased by the client and we would run the mold to produce the parts exclusively for that client. Tooling costs vary from several thousand dollars on up. If you have a need please email us several pictures of the part along with a description of use and vehicle the part is for we will get back with you promptly. Might be something to look into at a later date if it is a true issue with these machines. |
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| Author: | vinylcollector [ 16 Dec 2015, 05:15 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
I had that problem as well, not from shipping, but just from use the gear cracked. It's been awhile. I think mine was one of the 2 gears on the long shaft. Can't remember if that was my 1030 or my 3030 but I was able to get a new part......the shaft with the gears on each end, and fixed it up fine. |
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| Author: | coolcatdaddy [ 17 Dec 2015, 12:46 ] |
| Post subject: | Re: CLD 3030 Troubleshooting |
maraakate wrote: Tasuke: Yes, the repair has held up very well. Coolcatdaddy: It's the smaller gear that's under the long shaft in front? There's big gears on each end of the shaft and those broke for me. I think we're talking about the same thing. On my player, the gear that's the problem is near the front of the player at the end of the shaft. There's a plastic "worm" gear run by a small round gear and underneath the small round gear is a slightly larger round gear that runs that. The three gears control how the laser rail moves up and down to adjust the angle of the laser. You can see the problem area in this schematic. Look in the illustration for 4.4 - Mechanism Assembly View - the gear that seems to be the problem is part number 9 (VNL-1079 Cam Gear). http://www.lddb.com/_misc/manuals/LD_Players/Pioneer/CLD/CLD-3030/CLD-3030-EN_Diagrams_Scan.pdf I was able to order the part from Pioneer and it arrived yesterday, shipped all the way from Japan. It was only about six bucks. Originally, I thought this gear had teeth all the way around the top. But, when the part arrived, I saw that the replacement is missing teeth in the same place. How it should work is that the motor should move the worm gear, gear and cam gear and that cam gear movies the rail up and down. What's happening is that the cam gear isn't moving the rail up and down - it keeps spinning around until the gear runs into the missing teeth on the cam gear. If I turn on the machine or put in a disc, I can put my finger on the other end of the rail and that will cause the worm and cam to move in different directions, based on the height of the rail and I can get a disc to play. The problem I'm having now, even though I have the part, is figuring out how to get to it. The Clamper Holder Assembly (part number 104 on illustration 4.2 Top View) blocks my access to it. Is there a way to easily remove it? Or do I have to go in another way? http://www.lddb.com/_misc/manuals/LD_Players/Pioneer/CLD/CLD-3030/CLD-3030-EN_Diagrams_Scan.pdf I don't want to give up on this player - it's in beautiful condition and seems to otherwise work properly. |
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