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 Post subject: HIL-C2EX problem
PostPosted: 05 Aug 2015, 20:51 
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I don't know if it's the power supply, the spindle motor, or the clamping mechanism, but my Sony Hi-Vision LD player is not spinning discs properly.
I had it playing a Hi-Vision disc the other day, on repeat, & after a while it just stopped. (I don't know whether that might have been the auto-off function at work.) When I went to start the disc, nothing happened, nor would it play an NTSC disc. Further testing revealed that it will spin up & play an LD-Single (20cm "thin" disc) just fine, but not a standard (double-sided) 20cm disc, much less a 30cm disc. It doesn't even make a noise as though it's trying to spin up.

I am going to have to get it down out of the rack & see what I can learn by using the Japanese service manual. I honestly think the long-term solution is to buy a Pioneer player, maybe a HLD-1000, but they seem to be a lot less available.

Wish me luck!
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 Post subject: Re: HIL-C2EX problem
PostPosted: 07 Aug 2015, 19:52 
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The root of the problem seems to be (I say seems) a failure to properly detect the disc. The motor doesn't even try to spin up, when it comes to the discs which don't spin, & I notice that when the top circuit board is lifted, even the 20cm thin disc doesn't spin. This I am inclined to attibute to stray light reaching & washing out some element, provisionally identified as this dome-shaped thing right next to the laser pickup lens on the playback head board. Now to see if I can find a way in the service manual to defeat that.
EDIT : I see that this "dome" is the tilt-servo sensor. By entering Service Mode, I should be able to test the tilt motor, and rule that out as the source of the problem.
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 Post subject: Re: HIL-C2EX problem
PostPosted: 09 Aug 2015, 08:26 
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Today I spent some money.
I dropped a few bucks on one of those bootleg manual downloading sites to obtain the service manual for the Sony HIL-C3, a player model which probably doesn't exist, but appears to have been intended as the US-market Hi-Vision model. Then I e-mailed the file I got to Julien, because why should anyone have to pay for bootleg manual downloads?
Then I bought two new-in-box optical blocks from somebody in Hong-Kong who just happened to have them listed on eBay. That was much more expensive, but it seems like the crucial component. With two, I should be able to keep this machine running for a long time, especially if I can refurbish one when it fails. Now to figure out what to do about the Sony adjustment jig, & a MUSE alignment disc.
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 Post subject: Re: HIL-C2EX problem
PostPosted: 10 Aug 2015, 22:42 
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"Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.

I took the cover off the player, set it into Service Mode using the remote, & proceeded to exercise it, running the tilt up & down & the playhead in & out, & so on, for about an hour. I then returned it to Normal mode, & it behaved much better than before. Not perfectly, but it spun up both 20cm & 30cm double-sided discs, MUSE & NTSC. It played the demo chapters (outer edge) of the MUSE "Test Disk" for a couple of hours altogether with no problem, although whether it will change sides without problems is still unclear, & it had not been able to keep a solid lock on the 20cm NTSC Pioneer reference disc I gave it just before that.

I'm morally certain it needs a major tracking adjustment. More as I do more tests. Meanwhile, enjoy this photo of the apparatus at work.


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 Post subject: Re: HIL-C2EX problem
PostPosted: 13 Aug 2015, 16:44 
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Thanks publius, hope Julien will publish your service manual soon, very curious to see how the player looks like compared with 2ex and pioneer
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PostPosted: 13 Aug 2015, 16:57 
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edwin240170 wrote:
Thanks publius, hope Julien will publish your service manual soon, very curious to see how the player looks like compared with 2ex and pioneer


Done!

http://www.lddb.com/_misc/manuals/LD_Players/Sony/HIL/HIL-C3/

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