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 Post subject: [LDP-1600P] Got my first SONY player but it has issues :(
PostPosted: 02 Sep 2015, 21:29 
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Hi there ^^

I'm completely new to this, but I've had a LD laying around for ages so I thought I'd finally just go for it and buy a player. Found this Sony LDP-1600P for a reasonable price, so I figured, why not.

Of course, the previous owner couldn't test it because they didn't really know what it was, either, but I was feeling lucky and thought I could take the risk...

So... it powers on fine. When I put in a disc, however, all that happens is that the Play button blinks for a couple of seconds, and then afterwards it just ejects the tray again. On both sides of the one disc I have. Both the CH-1 and CH-2 LEDs turn on too when the disc is inserted.

I've connected it both over SCART and the single composite output, made no difference.

The disc does not seem to have any laser rot, as far as I can tell, but I honestly am no expert. It wasn't listed on LDDb yet so I added it yesterday, but the info I have is limited, so I included some pictures of it as well. I can take other/better pictures if anyone wants that ^^

I've tried looking for a manual, but they're all behind paywalls (ugh -_-). The only reference I could find was this page that has some info regarding computer control. I think I have the appropriate cable to hook up an Amiga or maybe an old PC up to it and maybe try some of that stuff, but I have no idea if that would help anything at all.

All help is appreciated! I'm totally new to this <3

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Front cover of Doraemon disc:
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Back cover of Doraemon disc:
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Disc side 1:
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Disc side 2:
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Closeup of controls:
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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The CH-1 and CH-2 indicators are most likely referring to Audio Channels. So that's indicating that it's a stereo disc.

Now, are you certain that you are trying to play an NTSC (I'm assuming that's NTSC being a Hong Kong or Japanese title) disc in an NTSC player? Is it capable of playing NTSC or PAL?

Having SCART output I'm assuming it's a PAL player.
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Now, are you certain that you are trying to play an NTSC (I'm assuming that's NTSC being a Hong Kong or Japanese title) disc in an NTSC player? Is it capable of playing NTSC or PAL?

Having SCART output I'm assuming it's a PAL player.


The disc is NTSC, or at least, so it says on the back. The player itself... I have no idea. There's no mention of that anywhere, and as said, I can't find any manuals online either. Would there be any other way to check this right now, or do I just have to go out and buy a PAL LD to check?

I thought LD players could handle both signals? or is that only true for some models?
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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While LD players are not region-restricted like DVD players, most of them are dependent on the signal carried on the disc -- meaning a Japanese LD title will work fine on a US LD player because they're both NTSC, but PAL titles won't work on an NTSC player, and vice-versa.

There ARE some LD players that can play both NTSC and PAL discs, but they're always clearly labeled as being compatible with both. That said though, from what I understand they won't play either type of disc as well as a standalone NTSC player would work for NTSC discs, or a PAL player for PAL discs.
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Argh. So I guess I'm gonna have to see if I can pick up an NTSC laserdisc player somewhere, too... and they're so expensive ;__;

I guess I'll have to start by getting a PAL disc to test this player, at least...
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the model number, 1600P, indicates PAL-only.
But nice Doraemon disc!
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the model number, 1600P, indicates PAL-only.
But nice Doraemon disc!


ahw ._. that's a shame then. And thanks! I found it at a thriftshop *years* ago in a box, surrounded by vinyl. Most of the other discs didn't look interesting so I didn't pick 'em up. Wish I had, though. They all seemed to come from the same rental shop because they had the same Laser Visison Centre label on them in the top right corner.


Actually, while I'm at it... what's a good place to find LD players? And what should I look for in one anyway? I mainly got this one because I like the way it looks and the RS-232 control (though I have very little idea how useful that is).
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Made a video showing exactly what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49DB-ky9Wtg
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Here we go:

http://www.oldvcr.tv/collection/index.html?Mode=View&Brand=Sony&Model=LDP-1600&Ref=11

  • PAL only
  • Analog discs only (it won't play a Digital Audio disc)

Really, really old stuff and able to play only a sub-group or PAL discs that were themselves a sub-catalog of the NTSC LD world.

Probably not a good player to start with LD.

I validated your LD, it's Doraemon [RDL1005] (from Japan) but this is a Hong Kong release, probably in Cantonese.
It couldn't be a bilingual release (using each analog track for a different language) because the CX encoding would ruin it.
Probably no English at all on it!

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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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knoeki wrote:
Made a video showing exactly what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49DB-ky9Wtg

Is that a PVM-20M4 I'm seeing? :)
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Here we go:

http://www.oldvcr.tv/collection/index.html?Mode=View&Brand=Sony&Model=LDP-1600&Ref=11

  • PAL only
  • Analog discs only (it won't play a Digital Audio disc)

Really, really old stuff and able to play only a sub-group or PAL discs that were themselves a sub-catalog of the NTSC LD world.

Probably not a good player to start with LD.


Yeah, I figured as much ._. it was a lot cheaper than most players out there, and I don't have that much money, so yeah...

Oh well, guess I'll have to hunt for another player >.>;

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I validated your LD, it's Doraemon [RDL1005] (from Japan) but this is a Hong Kong release, probably in Cantonese.
It couldn't be a bilingual release (using each analog track for a different language) because the CX encoding would ruin it.
Probably no English at all on it!


Cool, thanks for validating, I'll make sure to take a proper picture of the sleeve sometime soon (and maybe fill in some more details if I can)!

And yeah, didn't expect it to be in English at all ^^ I really just picked it out years ago because that was the only LaserDisc in that box which I actually recognized ^^


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knoeki wrote:
Made a video showing exactly what happens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49DB-ky9Wtg

Is that a PVM-20M4 I'm seeing? :)


PVM-1954Q to be precise, actually! ^^
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Nice. Looks very similar to the M4 but some specs are different. I've got a BVM-20F1 and it's a stunning CRT. :)
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Yep, it's pretty damn great. My NES doesn't seem to work with it for some reason though, sadly -__-;
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Which Nes is it? NTSC-U or PAL? My NTSC-U NES with RGB mod from Etim has worked flawless with every PVM and BVM I've tried it on.
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both of mine are PAL. I could take a video of what happens when I hook them up and turn 'em on but I think that's maybe a bit out of scope for this forum ^^;
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There is a video game thread that we can use.
Do any of you guys collect video games?
Maybe not on topic but better than nothing.
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Hah, yeah, maybe. It's not really a pressing issue, though.
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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Well, I managed to get a hold of a couple of PAL discs.

The good news is: the player actually works and will play those discs.

The bad news:

- the tray motor seems to be slightly faulty. It gets stuck when ejecting. A lot.
- terrible ghosting on the output :(
- won't play digital audio (as expected)
- picture quality is pretty f***ing bad
- pausing doesn't actually make it go to a still frame, the screen just goes black

I also suspect one of the discs (Bad Boys) is suffering from laser rot, but I'm not sure; it looks more like badly degraded VHS than the typical snow I've seen on videos people put on youtube. It's really difficult to take a picture of it since I can't pause the movie without it going to black.

Here's the best I can manage. Notice the purple horizontal lines. It's WAY worse. Massive coloured horizontal bars flickering all over the screen every now and then. Really looks like a bad VHS copy.
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And an example of the "ghosting":
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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I saw a Pioneer CLD D 925 on marktplaats.nl for 200€, but now it's gone.
Maybe there are others as well.
That players plays all (exept hivision, special ld roms etc) and if you can find it in the Netherlands then you could inspect it and pick it up.
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 Post subject: Re: Got my first player (Sony LDP-1600P) but it has issues :
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yeah, I think you actually linked that to me earlier in another thread ^^

200 euro is still a lot of money for me, and right now I can't afford it especially .__. even if it might be worth it.
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