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 Post subject: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 04:26 
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For me it’s a toss up between TOS and TNG for the first place. But here it goes..

1- TNG
2- TOS
3- DS9
4- VOY
5- ENT (S4 > VOY)
6- TAS
7- STD
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 13:48 
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1- TNG
2- TOS
3- DS9
4- ENT
5- STD
6- TAS
7- VOY

Most could shuffle a place.

Easiest to place? The often becoming tired recycled and derivative storylines and recycled aliens (which mostly saved the show) along with the largely weak insipid main characters of... Voyager. And did I mention foamheads? Well okay now I probably made it sound worse than it is, but it is the weakest link.
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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 15:23 
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Doing what I've seen though didn't Picard's show launch recently?
TNG
DS9
VOY
TOS/ENT [only because its mixed the others kept my attention far longer]
TAS which got really annoying though I do like other animation from the 70s.
but I could rearrange them depending on what I feel like at times when I watch them although TNG is my first and it will always be first.
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PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 16:45 
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xtempo wrote:
TNG is my first and it will always be first.

Agreed.

Unless somehow Picard manages to totally blow my mind.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 23:14 
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-------phenomenal at their best
1- TNG
2- DIS
3- TOS
4- DS9
--------Big gap
5- TAS
6- VOY
7- ENT
We're all so far in agreement that TNG was a masterpiece. 2-4 can easily change places based on episode and mood, but the rest are set for me
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 08 Jun 2019, 23:27 
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yayanalog wrote:
-------phenomenal at their best
1- TNG
2- DIS
3- TOS
4- DS9
--------Big gap
5- TAS
6- VOY
7- ENT
We're all so far in agreement that TNG was a masterpiece. 2-4 can easily change places based on episode and mood, but the rest are set for me



You have STD at the second spot. Even better than TOS that started it all?
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
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You have STD at the second spot. Even better than TOS that started it all?

It's seriously impressing me enough for me to put it more or less on par with the best of TOS and DS9 in terms of being an enjoyable and well-executed breakthrough.
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Hmm, I don't really want to rank them. But basically I thought TNG and DS9 were great.

Didn't care for TOS. Honestly still need to really try Voyager at some point.
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1- TOS
2- TNG
3- VOY
4- DS9
5- ENT
6- TAS
7- STD

Huge fan of the original series. Loved TNG too. Discovery is abominable.
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I have to shamefully admit that I've never see a single Star Trek episode in my whole life...

I guess it's too late to catch up!

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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
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I have to shamefully admit that I've never see a single Star Trek episode in my whole life...

I guess it's too late to catch up!

Julien

Then next you'll be telling us you never saw a single Star Wars movie either!!

How does this happen? It's almost like you'd have to actively avoid ever seeing something so culturally pervasive!!
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TOS
TNG


I liked Enterprise a lot more than some people. I guess because it has origin stuff in it and I like Scotty B. I don’t like DS9 because it’s all about race wars and fighting and crap making it closer to Tolkien than Heinlein IMHO. It needed less NFL and more MIT. Voyager totally repelled me and AFAIK everyone back in the day but furries have a safe space now so it’s only natural that public opinion has trended upwards. I don’t have any opinions about the others.
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signofzeta wrote:
I liked Enterprise a lot more than some people.

Glad you said it. Very often underrated imho. Following on from Voyager just showed up so much of that show as quite tired and ordinary. When it was cancelled at Season 4 and they let loose on some pent up storylines it was just so great.

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I don’t like DS9 because it’s all about race wars and fighting and crap making it closer to Tolkien than Heinlein IMHO. It needed less NFL and more MIT.

I get that. But the show was al about doing something different as there was the TNG overlap. Star Trek still needed conflict even if not from the main characters; so if from a whole different race from a different sector of the galaxy? The Dominion were the new Klingons?

Have to say that of all the ST shows DS9 had the most fabulous group of regular character actors performing; Gul Dukat, Quark, Garak, Weyoun/Brunt, Grand Negus and many others I failed to mention; though Jeffrey Combs, Marc Alaimo and Andrew Robinson are some personal favourites.
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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
PostPosted: 20 Jun 2019, 23:50 
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I have to shamefully admit that I've never see a single Star Trek episode in my whole life...


Then next you'll be telling us you never saw a single Star Wars movie either!!
How does this happen? It's almost like you'd have to actively avoid ever seeing something so culturally pervasive!!


Star Wars I have... many times!

But Star Trek had next to 0 traction in France when I was a kid.
We kind of knew who Spock was, but mostly because of the pointy ears.

I think "La 5" channel ran a few episodes here and there when they had nothing else to fill up airtime, but nobody really cared.
I would be surprised that any series had a full run-time on French mainstream TV.

I guess most of the kids in France believe Star Trek started at the new movies reboot and that there wasn't much before that!

Nobody wears t-shirt referencing Star Trek apart from hardcore geeky fans.
No reference jokes to Star Trek in the media, it would fall flat.

The movies were respectfully issue on PAL LDs but I've never seen any of them.

https://www.lddb.com/search.php?adv_search=star+trek&adv_reference=&country=1

I would think that UK or Germany got a lot more exposed to ST.

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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
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Wow. I think we may have discovered something very important about France here.

So what is all your sci-fi inspired by? I mean before Heavy Metal Magazine.

Star Trek TOS was basically a way to get people who didn’t read into sci-fi and it’s completely tied to the golden age of sci-fi and it’s writers. It was the basis for a lot of stuff. Not the particulars but the overall philosophy. Gundam, for example simply never would have existed without Star Trek.
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I would think that UK or Germany got a lot more exposed to ST.

Julien


TOS from the early 1970s was on BBC TV here in the UK pretty constant for many years, a couple or three episodes were not shown till much later though.

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signofzeta wrote:
So what is all your sci-fi inspired by? I mean before Heavy Metal Magazine.


MANY books (Press Pocket, Denoel, etc.), fanzines and comic books (the European style, big format with 60~70 pages and hard-cover) mostly.

This is what SF looked like to my in my teenager's years: Bradbury, Lovecraft, Matheson, Aldiss, Simak, Asimov, Clarke, Zelazny, Adams, Cowper, Pohl, etc.

Also had all the Frank Herbert books.
The only prerecorded VHS I ever had were Star Wars and Blues Brothers.

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And some animation before adapted from the books such as Maîtres du temps, Les (1982) [TE-D101]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_science_fiction

Science Fiction if France is considered a literature genre, not a TV/cinema one.
This remains a Hollywood privilege. When Luc Besson did The Fifth Element, he did it in an American style.

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 Post subject: Re: Rank Star Trek series best to worst
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Wow, what a great thread.

Another big contributing element to sci-fi in France was the illustrations by Moebius aka Jean Giraud.
Guy was one of the greatest artist/writers of the 20th Century.

Big inspiration for motivating Alejandro Jodorowsky's attempt at bringing Dune to the big screen in the 1970's.
I am easily impressed by creativity however this artist was over the top talented with free hand illustrations.

Watched a documentary about Jodorowsky and his Dune obsession in which Moebius had some candid insights and examples of his impromptu free hand skills.

I can see France being a culturally target rich environment for Science Fiction fans especially after Luc Besson's epic "Valarian and the City of Ten Thousand Planets" release.
What a creative venture. Had to buy the dvd as soon as released for all the extra content and deleted scenes.
Amazed by all the talented and enthusiastic peeps on hand in every spectrum of movie making.

Really would like to go back to France and spend some extended time rovering around the bookstores near and far.

Cheers to the membership
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Another big contributing element to sci-fi in France was the illustrations by Moebius aka Jean Giraud.
Guy was one of the greatest artist/writers of the 20th Century.


Moebius/Jean Giraud had an amazing career, influencing Hollywood and Japan.

(Wikipedia: Esteemed by Federico Fellini, Stan Lee and Hayao Miyazaki among others,[2] he has been described as the most influential bandes dessinées artist after Hergé. Mœbius also contributed storyboards and concept designs to numerous science fiction and fantasy films, such as Alien, Tron, The Fifth Element and The Abyss.)

I met him a few times at the yearly comic book fair that happened to take place in the city next to mine.

He signed my Incal vol.1 with a nice Silver Surfer.

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Later that year I went to the House of Belgium in Paris organizing a signing session with Stefan Wul (the author of the novel behind Time Masters) and Moebius was casually hanging around in the room. I had the novel book signed by both Wul and Moebius :mrgreen:

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I would put him #1 and as a #2 I'd vote for Syd Mead who... collaborated on Star Trek: The Motion Picture, just to make sure we're not too off-topic!

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