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 Post subject: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 22 Jul 2019, 07:39 
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I noticed there's two releases with different reference numbers but are otherwise identical, True Lies (1994) [PILF-7321] and True Lies (1994) [PCLH-00001] - the only difference in the database entries is that one says the subtitles are "in picture" and the other "out of picture", can anybody confirm this?
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2019, 09:00 
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Good question...

PCLH-xxxx had all the movie version: LBX w/ subs, P&S w/ subs, P&S dubbed.

The PILF-xxxx might be a reprint but it would be unusual the price remained the same.
Usually the reprints are "priced-down".

Anyone owns both?

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2019, 10:09 
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Interested this is one film on my wishlist
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2019, 10:38 
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The PILF-xxxx might be a reprint but it would be unusual the price remained the same.

Both appear to have the same release date as well.

I think the most likely explanation is that they're actually the same disc, only with different reference numbers, and the difference in the subtitles is entirely due to the people who filled that field having different ideas of what is considered "in" and "out" of picture. Still, it'd be nice to see some mint marks and be certain.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2019, 13:18 
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I have both versions available for sale:

https://www.lasermovies.de/en/action-ad ... sch-1.html

https://www.lasermovies.de/en/action-ad ... sch-1.html

I'll try to check them for difference when I get a chance.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 23 Jul 2019, 15:20 
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What’s up with PCLH-00001 through PCLH-00011? It seems 00001-00003 are all True Lies.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 12:39 
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Another thing I just realized that this being a James Cameron movie, was it shot in super 35 and would the pan & scan version show more information on the top and bottom and less on the sides like Terminator 2? That would at least explain the "Director's Pan & Scan Edition" on the US cover which I found a rather strange statement.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 13:00 
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takeshi666 wrote:
Another thing I just realized that this being a James Cameron movie, was it shot in super 35 and would the pan & scan version show more information on the top and bottom and less on the sides like Terminator 2? That would at least explain the "Director's Pan & Scan Edition" on the US cover which I found a rather strange statement.


I think those "Directors P&S" are something of a hybrid situation where Cameron reframed for the 4:3 edition so sometimes it's more like open matte, sometimes closer to true P&S, not consistently one or the other through the movie.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 14:46 
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takeshi666 wrote:
Another thing I just realized that this being a James Cameron movie, was it shot in super 35 and would the pan & scan version show more information on the top and bottom and less on the sides like Terminator 2? That would at least explain the "Director's Pan & Scan Edition" on the US cover which I found a rather strange statement.


I think those "Directors P&S" are something of a hybrid situation where Cameron reframed for the 4:3 edition so sometimes it's more like open matte, sometimes closer to true P&S, not consistently one or the other through the movie.

That would seem likely since IMDB lists a rather odd combination of Super 35 and Vistavision for special effects, so presumably some shots only exist in the wider ratio and had to be presented in old fashioned pan & scan, however VistaVision aspect ratio is 1.85:1 so the pan & scan version would presumably still show more on the top and bottom than the full widescreen release.

Not that any of this really matters because in situations like these the open matte version really should be treated as a secondary interest, a curiosity more than anything else, while the main attraction should be the proper Scope version, much like how I have some passing interest in something like the fullscreen versions of the Back to the Future trilogy, only because I already own the movies in properly matted blu-ray.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 16:46 
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takeshi666 wrote:
Not that any of this really matters because in situations like these the open matte version really should be treated as a secondary interest, a curiosity more than anything else, while the main attraction should be the proper Scope version, much like how I have some passing interest in something like the fullscreen versions of the Back to the Future trilogy, only because I already own the movies in properly matted blu-ray.


Fully get where you are coming from takeshi666.

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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 18:01 
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takeshi666 wrote:
I think those "Directors P&S" are something of a hybrid situation where Cameron reframed for the 4:3 edition so sometimes it's more like open matte, sometimes closer to true P&S, not consistently one or the other through the movie.


In the special edition of T2, there is a sequence in the supplements where the entire 35mm image is shown with red and blue boxes representing how the 1.33 and 2.35 frames are assembled for video. One could describe it as a hybrid as Takeshi666 describes, but it's closer to a complete rescan of the camera negative for each edition of the film.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2019, 18:19 
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The Abyss special edition 4:3 was Cameron’s preferred ratio for home viewing back in the 4:3 days. The Abyss is mostly underwater and rarely has any thing wider than it is tall so it adapts to 4:3 perfectly. “Wide” doesn’t exist on a submarine. I can see where he was coming from for his, I have the special Abyss in 4:3, if you run a 4:3 TV I recommend trying it out. The extra resolution goes a long way.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2019, 14:19 
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I just checked the PCLH-00001 and it also has the subtitles out of the picture. Submitted this as an update already. So that answers the original question of the thread but not why these identical versions exist.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2019, 14:53 
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It does seem like there's essentially just three different versions and each has two different reference codes but are otherwise identical. Doesn't matter which one of the two I get then.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2019, 21:03 
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Just get the DTS US LD and forget about theses DS releases...
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2019, 22:13 
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There's a whole bunch of reasons why that's not really an option.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 26 Jul 2019, 22:15 
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takeshi666 wrote:
There's a whole bunch of reasons why that's not really an option.


Derp money. I'm fine with the US LD I have. Looks GREAT. I'd still buy a BD day one though.
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 27 Jul 2019, 09:09 
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takeshi666 wrote:
There's a whole bunch of reasons why that's not really an option.


Derp money. I'm fine with the US LD I have. Looks GREAT. I'd still buy a BD day one though.

Also the fact that I have no DTS capable equipment at all so it wouldn't benefit me anyway. But yeah, price is a factor too. :P
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 27 Jul 2019, 18:32 
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takou wrote:
Just get the DTS US LD and forget about theses DS releases...



Get the D-theater version with DTS ;)
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 Post subject: Re: Japanese True Lies
PostPosted: 28 Jul 2019, 10:31 
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takou wrote:
Just get the DTS US LD and forget about theses DS releases...



Get the D-theater version with DTS ;)

And it's in HD! :o

I can't even guess how much that would cost since there are no machines or tapes currently on ebay. It's also one of the few movies on D-Theater that isn't on blu-ray yet.
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