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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 06 Jan 2020, 21:01 |
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signofzeta wrote: Man, that’s hard. Sony for example is probably #1 when it comes to innovation. They really kick a** in that department but...man the stuff is so often broken in the first year or two making the innovation nothing more than a memory. They occasionally screw up and make something reliable but most of it is wastefully designed to last not much longer than the next innovation.
Panasonic on the other hand doesn’t really blow my mind with anything BUT reliability. I consider Panasonic/Technics to be top dog in that area. The Tech 1200 is something I’ve spent even more time with than Laserdisc.
Also, I nominate Teac for the Portastudio if nothing else. The Portastudio rules. Sony is really interesting. No need to discuss innovation with Sony but also their range of products is second to none. They make the $40 DVD player and also have the $60,000 benchmark/industry standard laser projector in their current line up. ES line products come with 5 year warranty. I doubt Sony would honor such a long warranty if reliability was in question in those but they also make other cheaply made products you know they won’t last more than a year. Panasonic/Technics/Matsushita products are generally mid-line or above. They are priced accordingly as well. This probably allows them better build and more reliable products. Reliability was the reason I put Panasonic on my top 5 otherwise I don’t recall any benchmark products from them beside the legendary SL-1200.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 07 Jan 2020, 01:14 |
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forper wrote: Sony only lol you really didn't have to bother reminding us
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 07 Jan 2020, 02:04 |
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audioboyz1973 wrote: forper wrote: Sony only lol you really didn't have to bother reminding us So far Sony is winning.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 07 Jan 2020, 04:16 |
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I've used Yamaha stuff for around 30 years now with zero issues. The oldest unit is pro logic. I do have a fair amount of Sony products but nothing audio now...unless you count a CiB Walkman. All of it is pretty much game consoles, I think I have about 3x dead PS3 consoles there atm (bad main boards), but I have more working units than dead. Same for PS & PS2. I have thrown out a lot of Sony mini systems and receivers over the years though so their stuff does break, it isn't all high quality. The quality of their televisions in particular has varied for years now, not like the old days when they were nearly all solid units. I've got a 32" trinitron that still works ok but I rarely use it. So from the manufacturers you've mentioned there I've had the most personal experience with Sony, but it hasn't all been good. Doesn't make me avoid their stuff though. Yamaha I've always had a good experience, but I've never had anything break so I've only bought like 3 receivers Yamaha stuff that comes in at work (mostly keyboards tbh) is always still working ok.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 07 Jan 2020, 04:49 |
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Not convinced I followed the rules to a t.
#1 = Sony: has made the best mainstream TV since at latest the Trinitron, the best consumer-ballpark RGB projector, amongst the best current projectors (I'll never sample the entire field), good to great entry level audio gear, gaming consoles with nice-bonus level av ability in the PSX and PS2, then superb ability in the PS3, then the PS4 reverts to PSX level, along with the Walkman and Discman. Cons: their very uneven headphones across all eras; durability woes, while part and parcel with entry level gear, often extend into their mid level commodities.
#2 = Panasonic: also excellent displays from the `80s through the plasma era. Technics receivers and speakers were budget monsters.
#3 = JVC: Sony without the innovation, but better build quality. I'd say they hit fewer highs as well. Still a projector juggernaut.
#4 = Pioneer: great entry to mid level audio gear and the foremost thrust behind the LD movement.
#5 = Marantz: better audio gear than Yamaha and Denon although Yamaha has more generally conformed to my spending bracket. They've made some really cool speakers in the past.
HMs = Yamaha, Sansui, ....and a blurry tie between manufacturers on the audio side. Audio Technica, MCS, I don't know, tap out.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 12 Jan 2020, 05:42 |
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Not exactly a "rank the best to worst" but Techmoan asked his followers on Patreon to name whatever top 5 brands came to mind for "HiFi" in this video and: Attachment:
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 13 Jan 2020, 03:13 |
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admin wrote: Attachment: top20.png Julien It gave me a chuckle to see Bose just squeaking ahead of Sanyo. But it's odd seeing no mention of Carver/Sunfire, Krell, Cerwin Vega, Tannoy, HK not that I care much about them, and as others have said JBL. Probably they're way down the list; too far, I'd say, not that any of those challenges for the topic's top 8.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 13 Jan 2020, 04:01 |
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snipesbackhand wrote: But it's odd seeing no mention of Carver/Sunfire, Krell, Cerwin Vega, Tannoy, HK not that I care much about them, and as others have said JBL. Probably they're way down the list; too far, I'd say, not that any of those challenges for the topic's top 8. As described, this is not a quality ranking but a brand awareness ranking (from the way the question was framed). The more commercial/mainstream brands will show up first. Julien
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 14 Jan 2020, 01:45 |
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admin wrote: snipesbackhand wrote: But it's odd seeing no mention of Carver/Sunfire, Krell, Cerwin Vega, Tannoy, HK not that I care much about them, and as others have said JBL. Probably they're way down the list; too far, I'd say, not that any of those challenges for the topic's top 8. As described, this is not a quality ranking but a brand awareness ranking (from the way the question was framed). The more commercial/mainstream brands will show up first. Julien McIntosh, NAD, Akai, and Nakamichi wouldn't even register if that were the case. I'm sure the query took both into account, simply by strength of the term Hi-fi, or Aiwa would be in there for market penetration. Harmon Kardan and Cerwin Vega are certainly well known, these days far moreso than Kenwood, which was also a bit of a surprise as I'd been led to believe its reputation had fallen off the map.
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Post subject: Re: Rank a/v hardware manufacturers from best to worst Posted: 14 Feb 2020, 22:44 |
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