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deadlegion
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 12 Jan 2021, 18:51 |
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signofzeta wrote: I can’t even explain how disinterested I am in any of this! I already have the Saturn I want and rarely play boots. When I do I just do the old swap trick. That all sounds like a nightmare of zombie add-on b******t that will never end. When do you play the games? It probably does seem like a nightmare to an American
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deadlegion
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 00:32 |
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gypsy wrote: It seems to be good, but is very expensive. Most of these things are expensive, some more than others though. The designers cry foul whenever their stuff gets cloned, sold cheaper and/or really easy to purchase instead of going through bs (eg genuine GDEMU orders nightmare) to obtain a "legitimate" item. I'm pretty sick of the idea that spending hundreds of dollars on such things is perfectly ok.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 09:39 |
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Joined: 14 Jan 2010, 09:44 Posts: 5988 Location: Ann Arbor Has thanked: 1292 times Been thanked: 1106 times
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So now our piracy devices are too expensive? OH LORD, please save us from full price Doctor V64s! The world awaits your extra cheap version of a cheap version of a expensive hobby because a lot of other people also erroneously believe that makes sense. This company should do R&D for free, use pirate chips, child labor, and sell tax free on eBay because you want to play $2 for Batsugun and dink around with Saturn BASIC for 17 seconds, right? You probably want it to not die in a year either. Don’t get me wrong, I have loads of pirate stuff, that’s not the issue. This isn’t an out of print video game it’s a newly developed product being made right now and it seems very good. Do you want them to make something similar for...I don’t know, Cube or Atomiswave or something? Well their wives won’t let them of they lost their asses on the Saturn version because they let their price be dictated by a guy who fills his pockets with soup at the buffet. Pay up! It will eventually sell at twice the price if its as good as they say. .
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rcarlson
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 16:48 |
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My luck's always been hit or miss when it comes to burning CDs, and I can't speak for the Saturn but the Sega CD was so touchy with ...well, CDs that I just got a Mega SD. Has its own share of annoyances, but no moving parts and is certainly more reliable than my actual Sega CD. Makes playing imports a breeze, too. I'm fine with the cost, though. I got burned once by a cheap clone, never again. Low supply (for quality versions of niche hardware) plus obsessive idiots like me equals higher cost, just the way of things. Can't wait for the OSSC Pro to come out!
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 30 Jan 2021, 17:31 |
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gypsy wrote: For me, I'd rather just burn CDs. At $0.08 per disc, yes. That’s my way to go as well. I don’t need 1000 games in my Saturn at all times. I can only play one at a time. The other 999 of them are just sitting there. I’ve never had an issue burning a Saturn CD but I’ve made most of the copies from originals. Anything that’s packaged on the internet and has to be converted from one thing to another...I refuse to risk wasting a night on that.
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deadlegion
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 31 Jan 2021, 04:00 |
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signofzeta wrote: So now our piracy devices are too expensive? For some platforms they are, but it also depends on where you are in the world (availability of the console itself). It's also not just about cost but supply and demand. In some cases also the attitude of "developers". Saturn isn't an abundant console here, so if you burn discs and your laser dies fixing that sort of scenario isn't a cheap case of "I'll just buy another console". Dreamcast is cheaper but the cheap ones available usually have dead laser and/or other issues. Non VA1, faulty PSU, a cheaper console imported from Japan so it needs step down or swap in different PSU. Everdrives are an example of something that should be cheaper. Early versions become cheap when later versions are released, sometimes the later versions offer little more than larger rom sizes (like for homebrew/hacks). A Polish guy has made his own Famicom flash cart, much cheaper than the original basic Everdrive Famicom N8. As far as I know he uses recycled famiclone cart shells. Doesn't support all mappers but neither does the original N8. I have several Chinese ED clones for different platforms, if I bought legit versions of all of them the costs would have blown out well over $1000. GDEMU, the guy that makes it is completely disorganised as far as orders/stock are concerned. Actually getting a legit board is like winning the lottery. The clones are so much cheaper anyway and are bloody everywhere, you can buy 2 for less than the cost of legit and still have change. Sure, you can't update them but the 2 "broken" games I'm aware of have work arounds (one simply involves skipping intro). GC-Loader PNP is easy enough to find overseas, but in the last 6 months I've only noticed one kit up for grabs locally at a reasonable price. A few others have been scalper prices and the rest were modded consoles for hundreds of dollars If there was a Chinese clone of this I'd get one. PSIO, the team makes promises about solderless solution that never happens. Final product can't play entire library and some "working" games have issues anyway. Updates don't necessarily fix anything. You have to buy this new and prove ownership with email etc to get updates... this means some people that have bought pre-modded consoles have been shafted because they aren't entitled to any support. ^At least in this last case there is an alternative now (not a clone). Xstation. As far as I know it isn't solderless either but alternatives are always welcome.
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deadlegion
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 04 Feb 2021, 04:58 |
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People don't go to jail here for modding PS1's In that case the point is to make the console region free, it isn't about piracy.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sega Saturn Posted: 21 Feb 2021, 16:18 |
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If you like VF2 you’ll probably find that no other 3D fighter on the Saturn was ever quite as good but Fighters Megamix is close. In general games made by Sega are a safe bet, Sega Rally, Sega Touring Car, Panzer Dragoon, Sakura Wars, etc.
In 2D fighting the Saturn has many great games. Vampire Savior is fantastic, Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter is super impressive and fun. There are a lot of SNK ports that were the best of the time but they aren’t as good as Neo ones or usually the PS2 ones either so I guess it matters what other systems you have. Astra Superstars is a very unique fighter, a semi sequel to Galaxy Fight and Waku Waku 7, it’s a fan art driven send up to Dragonball in a way, and uses little animation but a lot of sprite warping and other 32 bit FX, it was an ST-V game originally.
Saturn Bomberman and Guardian Heroes are better mutiple players games than anything...except maybe Death Tank (hidden on Power Slave) and Death Tank Zwei (hidden on Duke 3D, requires Quake to unlock).
The SS also rules at shooters but of course those can be the most expensive games. Layer Section, Radiant Silvergun, Darius, etc.
IMO, Saturn Tomb Raider is a bad version of a bad game but your tag says you’re from Finland and tastes vary by region I guess. I genuinely cannot tell what I’m even looking at in games like that.
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