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naiaru
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 03:07 |
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They all have (varingly) pretty bad comb filters. You'd be better off with something external. Personally I use a RCA DRC8335 (before feeding it to a scaler).
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lizardkingjr
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 15:32 |
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naiaru wrote: They all have (varingly) pretty bad comb filters. You'd be better off with something external. Personally I use a RCA DRC8335 (before feeding it to a scaler). I also use the RCA DRC8335 for my Samsung TX-T3092WH CRT display, which has a poor comb filter. OTOH, my SONY KD-36XS955 CRT display has an excellent comb filter and doesn't require an external one at all! TLK
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limeibook86
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Oct 2011, 18:41 |
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publius wrote: Even the best comb filter built into a LD player is going to be mediocre by today's standards. There's an argument for using a player such as a Pioneer CLD-S104 which doesn't process video at all, & an external processor to do everything (comb filtering, scaling, &c). I've heard that before too. I have my CLD-S104 as my main player. I wonder if I put it through my Samsung DVD-R120 (which outputs via component) if that'll work as a comb filter and give me a slightly better picture? Or would that just not do anything compared to plugging it directly into my Panasonic Plasma?
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naiaru
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 19 Oct 2011, 00:40 |
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limeibook86 wrote: publius wrote: Even the best comb filter built into a LD player is going to be mediocre by today's standards. There's an argument for using a player such as a Pioneer CLD-S104 which doesn't process video at all, & an external processor to do everything (comb filtering, scaling, &c). I've heard that before too. I have my CLD-S104 as my main player. I wonder if I put it through my Samsung DVD-R120 (which outputs via component) if that'll work as a comb filter and give me a slightly better picture? Or would that just not do anything compared to plugging it directly into my Panasonic Plasma? I'd guess the DVD-Recorder would have a better comb filter, but I'd recommend testing them both out.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 20:27 |
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publius wrote: Even the best comb filter built into a LD player is going to be mediocre by today's standards. There's an argument for using a player such as a Pioneer CLD-S104 which doesn't process video at all, & an external processor to do everything (comb filtering, scaling, &c). Are there any players that do no video processing at all like the S104, but has dual side play and optical audio output?
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 20:40 |
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elahrairrah wrote: Are there any players that do no video processing at all like the S104, but has dual side play and optical audio output? Both the Pioneer LD-S2 (LD-X1 in Japan) & Sony HIL-C2EX have "straight" composite output jacks, but they still use digital timebase correctors, rather than the analog kind found in the S104. Beyond that I don't know.
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krbahr
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 18 Nov 2011, 23:04 |
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elahrairrah wrote: yeah, I was afraid of that. That the only one's that do that are the really high end ones.
I have been trying to get an LD-S2, but last one I saw on Ebay went for a ridiculous $6k. I have a S2 on eBay now and have another that has a dinged side panel minus original remote. Those high prices were one time glitches.
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lizardkingjr
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 29 Nov 2011, 15:20 |
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tomrlee_m998 wrote: I am truly happy with the comb filter built into my VisionHDQ. If you can come across one of them you won't get disappointed. The Faroudja NRS scaler also has a fantastic comb filter. TLK
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lizardkingjr
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 08 Dec 2011, 14:10 |
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substance wrote: I use an Entech CVSI-1 composite to component device which is a 2D comb filter. I get slightly better results than built in 2D filter in MLD-7020(CLD-97) I tested the Entech unit once using the Snell & Wilcox 2 test pattern in the Video Essentials LD. Rainbows all over the place. I was less than impressed with it. This is what it (and many other external comb filters) look like: This is what the test pattern looks like through my RCA DRC8335 DVD/VHS recorder: Big difference. TLK
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lizardkingjr
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Post subject: Re: best comb filters Posted: 08 Dec 2011, 18:40 |
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elahrairrah wrote: The only issue I see with that test is that it looks like the colors are desaturated and the picture darkened a bit. I imagine that can be corrected with proper calibration, though?
Still, amazing job or cleaning up all the artifacting! Yes, this is just the raw feed out of the cheapo DVD/VHS recorder. I then pass that signal into my DVDO/iScan VP30 (with ABT102 card), and I can let my scaler play with the brightness controls, etc. TLK
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