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bguzman
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 09 Oct 2013, 01:45 |
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A screen shot from The War of the Worlds (1953) [LV-5303-2] on my Mitsubishi HC6500U projector from a CLD-D703 routed through my Pioneer Elite VSX-53 which is equipped with a Marvell Qdeo video processor. The player has been jogged to display a still picture, noise at bottom. I am able to mask my 106" 16:9 screen with black curtains to accommodate 4:3 material. You can see my HT at bluray.comComposite unaltered to projector, 480i. Composite trans-coded to component to projector 480p. Composite scaled to HDMI to projector, 1080p.
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Guest
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 07:06 |
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Thought I'd compare those Wizard of Oz shots for reference:
Bluray/DVD (DVD left; Bluray right): taken down
Laserdisc (from msgohan) taken down
Notice Dorothy's red cheek looks less apparent on DVD (blends in too much with rest of skin; colors are overall pale and white has red tint problem). Laserdisc and bluray have it clearly red (same with lips). DVD also suffers lots of edge ghosting and compression artifacts (Dorothy's forehead appears distorted for example).
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tasuke
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 01 Nov 2013, 16:08 |
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i know. what with all the horror stories i've heard, regarding how allegedly bad SD sources of any sort display on an HDTV, whether LCD or PLASMA based, i went in to HD-capable monitor technology expecting the worst.
whether it is due to improvements in onboard SD video processing in the last few years of HDTV production or otherwise, i know not. all i do know is that all my SD sources, to my eyes, look better on my current HD monitor then they ever did on my very last SD CRT, a late-90's 32" TOSHIBA that served faithfully for a solid decade, and was showing no obvious signs of tiring out when i did away with it.
i don't honestly expect this 46" INSIGNIA (BEST BUY label) to last half as long, but at around 40lbs. unpacked, it is a video display that actually doesn't require two men and a boy to lug about.
still, i sure pray that companies don't skimp out completely on SD proc. by the time this thing conks out on me. i've noticed that the most of the most recent models of HDTV from most mfrs. over the last couple years now seem to have done away with legacy SD connections of any sort.
in that case, i'll have to hope that in the future i can scare up some sort of outboard Composite~HDMI converter, if such a thing does indeed exist...
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nissling
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 04 Jan 2014, 00:12 |
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I recently went through my Laserdisc-collection and found some movies I haven't tried out for a while. One of them were Hell in the Pacific [ 8028-85] which I remember looked quite bad on my old D505. Now, on my R7G, hooked up through my LX-70D, I was surprised that it looked quite good on my 42" plasma! I didn't take the time to transfer any video, so I just took some pictures with my crappy camera to give you an idea what the picture is like. EDIT: But the second side looks awful for some reason... Extremely edgy and seems to have very low resolution. I even think a VHS would look better.
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alien
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Jan 2014, 01:56 |
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nissling wrote: I didn't have much to do so I made a quick comparison between Laserdisc, DVD och Blu-Ray. I know it's not the exact screenshots but it gives you an idea of the difference. However, the Blu-Ray capture is from Blu-Ray.com and was only available in 720p. The Laserdisc capture hasn't been de-interlaced as you can see, but it has a bit more natural colors than the DVD imo. The Blu-Ray looks great in every way. Interesting. The Blu-Ray colours look a lot closer to the Laserdisc then the DVD (well, at least in terms of the skin tones). With some de-interlaceing and/or upscaling I think the LD would be better then the DVD but yeah the Blu-Ray easily comes out on top. Thanks for posting this comparsen between the 3 formats. I love those!
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substance
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Jan 2014, 18:11 |
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this is a good example. LD capture is a good representation of LD picture on a well above average LD setup. On the very best LD player(S2,X9,X0,S9 etc..),through a superb 3D adaptive comb filter, properly de-interlaced, scaled onto a calibrated reference display LD picture will look similar to the DVD capture here. Unfortunately still a notch below:( a little less color and slightly softer. If you try to remove LD grain to match DVDs 60db or better s/n ratio, your picture will be softer. And the last picture here is the Blu-ray capture. this is where your dreams end:) You can capture every pit and land on the LD and construct them in digital in the very best way your picture will not look half as good as the Blu-ray capture.
note: comments on the LD colors(generally positive) are strictly preference. Technically DVD can carry more than twice color information than LD. Most LD setups can't even tap to the full spectrum of that limited color bandwidth due to inferior comb filters.
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happycube
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Post subject: Re: The Laserdisc Screenshot Thread Posted: 29 Jan 2014, 19:00 |
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What substance said. There's only so much one can do with LD, but to me at least it's a fun hobby. The flip side, of course, is when the master used to make the Blu-Ray is DNR'd and orangeteal'd to death. But with a proper master, like this Jurassic Park disk... there's no comparison. --- I just did a back-of-the-napkin calculation, and you could fit six full resolution composite LD frames (edit: on a later LD player, that's 910x525 8-bit, including sync intervals) into one Blu-Ray frame (4 in luma, 1 in each chroma channel) The compression, of course, would probably cause severe degrading, but technically they fit.
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