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takeshi666
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 10 Jun 2018, 17:39 |
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giannis wrote: And the only seller wants 999 dollars for it, is he trying to fix the Greek economy all by himself or something?
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 03:33 |
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I still need to check out the Japanese blu of the third movie. Apparently the transfer is way better than the German blu.
It kind of sucks that the Renegeade/Special Edition of the second movie has superceded the others; while I seriously doubt a lot of people would even want to watch the damn thing in the first place, let alone the much panned theatrical cut, I'd still like to have it for posterity. Apparently in addition to the above HK disc, the French laserdisc is also the international cut but is also letterboxed; but sadly, is dub only.
While I definitely understand why the director's cut exists, I can't help but to feel that there's at least a little bit of historical revisionism involved; I'm pretty sure the Zeist backstory was always supposed to be there, even before the Argentinian investors took over the production, and Mulcahy only changed it to some vague "distant past" setting because of how unpopular the Zeist plot turned out to be. The fairy tale ending, while probably even slightly more ridicilous than the rest of the theatrical cut, at least fits thematically.
Regardless of version though, I have to admit that Highlander 2 is something of a guilty pleasure. It has some good moments and in general it falls into that rare genre combination of cyberpunk and urban fantasy. I don't think I've seen one other movie like it!
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hippiedalek
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 09:18 |
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I've been searching for the HK release for quite some time but it's pretty elusive, though certainly not $999 elusive! If anyone here can help hook me up with a sanely priced copy I'd greatly appreciate it Just going on running times I think the French and German laserdiscs also feature the international version, but both are dubbed in their respective languages, and the French one seems to be missing a few minutes (92 minutes instead of 96 when adjusted for PAL speedup). The Italian DVD of H2 also features the fairytale ending but again is dubbed and I hear it is missing two minutes. As far as I know the Hong Kong LD is the only English language friendly release the fairytale version got. Highlander 2 gets even messier when you realise there were two European cuts; the fairytale ending then a later version that was exactly the same but without the fairytale ending. Possibly this explains the missing minutes on the French LD. I've been tempted to get them a few times to find out but I don't think my better half will tolerate many more copies of Highlander 2 in the house!
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hippiedalek
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 16:32 |
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takeshi666 wrote: I still need to check out the Japanese blu of the third movie. Apparently the transfer is way better than the German blu. I own the Japanese Blu of Highlander 3 and it's passable quality. Nothing special by any means but certainly an upgrade on the DVDs. I've not seen the German or Australian Blu Rays but judging from the screenshots I've seen in various places ( https://www.caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=5 ... 546&c=2264) the Japanese Blu is a far better choice. The German and Australian discs are both "The Sorcerer" version of the film (though I've heard they're both from a German language print so the title is shown as "Die Legende"), whereas the Japanese is "The Final Dimension." I also own the Japanese Blu of Highlander 2, issued by the same company as the Japanese Highlander 3 Blu. It features the Special Edition of Highlander 2 currently available on Blu in USA, along with a letterboxed DVD of the USA theatrical cut of The Quickening. It can be really hard finding out what versions of Highlander films are available where so I hope this helps
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takeshi666
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 17:41 |
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hippiedalek wrote: Highlander 2 gets even messier when you realise there were two European cuts; the fairytale ending then a later version that was exactly the same but without the fairytale ending. Possibly this explains the missing minutes on the French LD. It's like a requirement for a Highlander movie to have a confusing amount of alternate versions. hippiedalek wrote: The German and Australian discs are both "The Sorcerer" version of the film (though I've heard they're both from a German language print so the title is shown as "Die Legende"), whereas the Japanese is "The Final Dimension." If only I knew which version is which! Doesn't help that they call one cut several different things, like "special director's cut" - which one is that? I've only seen the third movie once, on TV, and even then I haven't the faintest idea which version that was.
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 11 Jun 2018, 20:40 |
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takeshi666 wrote: If only I knew which version is which! Doesn't help that they call one cut several different things, like "special director's cut" - which one is that? I've only seen the third movie once, on TV, and even then I haven't the faintest idea which version that was. Highlander 3 probably has the least versions of any Highlander films, and most of the changes are minimal. You've most likely seen The Sorcerer version as that's what was shown in Europe. In the USA they got a version in theatres that cut down the sex scenes but these have been restored in home versions. The EU version is exactly the same but with some audio changes (one line of dialogue "all those years" instead of "400 years", and different music over the credits). The EU version had the full sex scenes but ironically they were initially cut for home versions, the opposite of the USA. Then there's the director's cut which is the same as the USA version but with added CGI, including a moment where Kane inexplicably teleports from Japan to New York. Another small difference is the colour timing, USA versions tend to be redder while the EU versions tend to be bluer. Sadly I've not found an English friendly widescreen laserdisc of The Sorcerer (EU) version, they're all Final Dimension versions or dubbed. ...and that's the LEAST complicated Highlander film for multiple versions lol.
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 00:30 |
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rein-o wrote: OK so to take this off track a little. What has been released on LD or DVD of the original Highlander film?? I have these two. From what I understand is that this is the directors cut Highlander: 10th Anniversary (1986) (Uncut) [25895]And this is the theatrical release Highlander (1986) [ID6679HB]But what is this cut Highlander (1986) [PILF-2721]I'm just trying to understand and also get some of my common LD titles upgraded to DVD and have the special cuts on LD So this isn't LD/DVD but the 30th Anniversary BD is cheap and loaded with content including a couple new interviews. I'd call it a must own for fans of the film.
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 07:12 |
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rein-o wrote: OK so to take this off track a little.
What has been released on LD or DVD of the original Highlander film??
I think what you've got there are the three main cuts of the film: North American theatrical cut 10th Anniversary "Director's Cut" International cut This[ID6679HB] is the the NA theatrical cut which was sadly torn to shreds by the studio. It was widely released on VHS and LD in USA and Canada but has never seen a release on DVD or later formats as most people (including the director and producers) really dislike this version. It's got one unique shot and an extra dubbed over line of dialogue that havs never been used in any other version. Sadly the LDs are pretty awful, VHS quality at best. The International cut is what most of the rest of the world got, except for France which got something in between. This is the cut that the director and producers wanted to be seen and features more flashbacks, characterisation and action. I THINK that the Japanese disc[PILF-2721] you highlighted will most likely be the International version as that's what was released in Japan, but it could be the Director's Cut given the release date and that my Japanese Highlander 3 disc features the USA Director's Cut of the Final Dimension rather than The Sorcerer. Does anyone here know for sure which version is in this disc? The 10th Anniversary cut[25895] is more of a Producers Cut than a Director's Cut. It's just the international version with an altered soundtrack to try and make it fit more in line with the TV series. A line about the quickening has been removed, buzzing sounds have been added when immortals meet and the sound of the WW2 machine gun has been removed. They also digitally removed the wires holding MacLeod up at the end. This version is widely found in DVDs in North America, probably the best was the Immortal Edition. I think nowadays the only version you can get in Blu Ray is the International Cut, and in my opinion it's the best version there is. Lately I've been tempted to make a YouTube video (more likely a series of videos lol) about all the different versions of Highlander films, because they've all got at least three different cuts. I hope this has helped
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 13:45 |
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rein-o wrote: Thanks Gypsy, I've never really cared about commentary and when I do watch extras recently I get bored very fast of them now. Just picked up the DVD of Heavy Metal, WOW I couldn't listen to those people talking about it in the extras, and I love that film and have watched it at least 100 times. Ha. I generally don't watch them, but sometimes it can be interesting. Depends on who is doing it. I did enjoy some of the extras on this BD and the recent Princess Bride BD.
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Post subject: Re: Highlander 2 Posted: 12 Jun 2018, 14:14 |
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gypsy wrote: rein-o wrote: Thanks Gypsy, I've never really cared about commentary and when I do watch extras recently I get bored very fast of them now. Just picked up the DVD of Heavy Metal, WOW I couldn't listen to those people talking about it in the extras, and I love that film and have watched it at least 100 times. Ha. I generally don't watch them, but sometimes it can be interesting. Depends on who is doing it. I did enjoy some of the extras on this BD and the recent Princess Bride BD. Utterly off topic now but I'm not much of a commentary person either but Evil Dead 2: Dead By Dawn: Special Edition (1987) [EE3845] has a pretty great one, well worth a listen. And if you enjoy Godzilla at all then I highly recommend the commentaries on the Criterion Blu Ray of the original film (contains a commentary for the USA King of the Monsters version too).
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