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audioboyz1973
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 01 Oct 2015, 11:09 |
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Joined: 16 Jun 2015, 15:40 Posts: 825 Location: Australia Has thanked: 105 times Been thanked: 95 times
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Well the X9 arrived early last week and so I've had the chance to do a bit of viewing now.
The comb filter is pretty much as I expected, no real surprises after the S9.
Comb filter aside it certainly brings out some more clarity and detail than the R7G. The picture is less noisy than the R7G though not by as much a some might expect - as noted above it's still quite a noisy player. The characteristic of the noise seemed different to the R7G to my eye though. The noise seems more softened and more in the background of the picture, rather than being more sharply in focus itself. But the softening of the noise certainly didn't mean reduced detail in the image overall; watching a couple of star treks I could see more detail in backgrounds and panels than ever before and the subtle shading of folds in the material of the uniforms looked much better and more realistic. It seems to reproduce purer colours too, for example the purplish tones that always seemed to invade the red uniforms (and no amount of tweaking the tint would fix) were virtually eliminated.
However with some material (especially films where effectively the image is magnified many more times to fit the 16:9 screen) I would find the artefacts of the comb filter annoying enough to want to go back to the R7G.
So I'll take the advice from substance and find myself a DVL-H9. It's built like the X9 weighing in at over 16kg and apparently based on the line of players a step up from those the R7G is based on. What I'm hoping for is more or less the performance of the X9 but with the same comb filter as the R7G. (Would it be too much to hope for a less noisy picture than the X9???)
Most exciting though was when my first muse disc turned up earlier this week (Jurassic Park) along with a Victor decoder I managed to get for (I think) a good price - cost just over twice as much as the purchase price to ship it!!
I really liked it! Lots of detail, very low noise, nice colors, quite a 'film like' image; no comb filter! Just a first impression from watching bits and pieces of JP the night it all arrived, looking forward to some more. Just need to get a couple more discs now but geez those things ain't cheap!! (No worrying about obi's I think unless I score a lucky break!!!)
Last edited by audioboyz1973 on 01 Oct 2015, 14:15, edited 1 time in total.
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elahrairrah
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 01 Oct 2015, 13:25 |
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Joined: 30 Aug 2005, 15:38 Posts: 3419 Location: New Jersey Has thanked: 79 times Been thanked: 143 times
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cpix wrote: talking about 3d y/c-filters, i'm wondering what kind of filter is used in my Pioneer kuro KRP-500M TV, since its late 2000 and should be a "a lot" better than the ones used back in the days. According to the the product brochure . . . http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox ... P-500M.pdf. . . it has a 3D comb filter and is adjustable.
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cpix
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 15 Oct 2015, 16:08 |
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elahrairrah wrote: cpix wrote: talking about 3d y/c-filters, i'm wondering what kind of filter is used in my Pioneer kuro KRP-500M TV, since its late 2000 and should be a "a lot" better than the ones used back in the days. According to the the product brochure . . . http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox ... P-500M.pdf. . . it has a 3D comb filter and is adjustable. i know it's there and that its adjustable, im wondering what kind of filter it is, compared to the x9/r7g etc.
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exinferis
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 21:10 |
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Just a short question here to the owners of this r7g player. What is the average price ob those, in very good condition with remote?
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exinferis
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 22:32 |
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Ok, so a price of let´s say 500.-€ is way too high? Location of the machine is nearly local, like 160Km drive away..which I think is positive, no damage through carriers if i pick it up personally. I´m not getting the real picture here of this player, so it´s kind oa good player, but has it´s downsides, right? I have an CLD-97 and a LD-S1, is the R7G a step up ? Or maybe I really should wait for an x9 to pop up one day...
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audioboyz1973
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 25 Nov 2017, 08:56 |
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I've never been able to compare those players. What I can tell you is R7G < H9 < X9. If you're not too bothered by players that smear then the S9 goes between the R7G and H9, otherwise you might prefer the R7G although it's noisier. Those who have compared the 97 and X9 tend to place them at a similar level in competition with one another. I dug out this post which I think is a pretty fair rating from everything I've read from various people; I'd just bump the the H9 up the rankings and have a personal preference to avoid any of the S9/99/704 type players due to smear: substance wrote: Pioneer USA
LD-S2 $700-800 CLD-95/97 - $300-400 CLD-99/79/704 - $200-300
Pioneer Japan
HLD-X0 - $3000-5000 HLD-X9 - $1200-2000 LD-S9 - $400-700 DVL-H9 - $400-600 CLD-R7G - $400-600
*LD-X1 is the Japanese version of LD-S2 **CLD-959 is the Japanese version of CLD-97
USA vs Japan players
HLD-X0 > LD-S2 > CLD-97/95 > HLD-X9 > LD-S9 > CLD-99/79/704 > DVL-H9 > CLD-R7G
*compared composite outputs. ** you can swap places for 95/97 and X9, matter of preference. 97 is cleaner, X9 is sharper/no smear. *** H9 and R7G has better S-Video output than most but still noisy.
These are eBay prices and doesn't include shipping. You can find lower prices on local adds or auctions but generally these are the ranges most auctions end.
Picking your LD player 101
1- Check local listings in your country for the above players, it is best to avoid expensive overseas shipping. 2- Decide where you want to buy your player from. USA or Japan? Calculate which is cheaper. 3- Find the price bracket you are comfortable with from the above list. The players are listed from best to good.
i.e you have $300 + shipping. Let's say it is cheaper to import from the US. You are easily looking at a Pioneer CLD-95/97. Don't waste your time digging other players. For that money, no other player will come close to 95/97 in performance.
Note: -CLD-97 is the best machine for the money in my opinion. And trust me, I have owned or seen them all. -Buy the best player you can afford. Best/most improvement on picture comes from the better players. -It is cheaper to buy a good player and be done with it. It will cost you more in the long run to buy/sell several low end until you reach a good one. -It is worth to pay a little extra and buy from a reputable seller in working condition. A clean, well adjusted player should last you years.
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ruinatokyo
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 11:49 |
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Joined: 17 Mar 2014, 07:26 Posts: 165 Location: Japan Has thanked: 39 times Been thanked: 6 times
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"HLD-X0 > LD-S2 > CLD-97/95 > HLD-X9 > LD-S9 > CLD-99/79/704 > DVL-H9 > CLD-R7G"
this sounds suspect to me. but then i guess this is based on some subjective argument about composite output?
i am no expert at all, but i spent a full year researching LDPs before going with the R7G, and a few in that list weren't even candidates. the low ranking of the x9 is troublesome as well.
anyone can correct me if i am wrong but my research put the LD-S9 and CLD-R7G at about equal level, with the CLD-97, equivalent to CLD-959, below both the LD-S9 and CLD-R7G. yet that list puts the CLD-97 ranks and ranks above them.
Granted, I was more interested in s-video out, 3d comb filters, late manufacturing, double side play, etc., but still...
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exinferis
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 16:16 |
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Joined: 18 Jul 2009, 13:00 Posts: 348 Location: Germany Has thanked: 20 times Been thanked: 6 times
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Hey guys, thx alot for all your help and replies. Everything is different now, I´m so excited, I´m getting an X9 player (price is 1500€) including manual, transformator and remote..I´ll pick it up later, I guess, hope that my quest then ended, haha..The R7 would have been much less expensive, but I guess it´s a once in a lifetime buy..
_________________ HLD-X9, CLD97 w/AC-3 MOD,LD-S1, CLD-925, CC DECODER, DVDO VP50, DENON AVC-A1SE, PHILIPS 52PFL7432D
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 18:26 |
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exinferis wrote: Hey guys, thx alot for all your help and replies. Everything is different now, I´m so excited, I´m getting an X9 player (price is 1500€) including manual, transformator and remote..I´ll pick it up later, I guess, hope that my quest then ended, haha..The R7 would have been much less expensive, but I guess it´s a once in a lifetime buy.. hey bud. you didn't go for the CLD-R7G on german ebay which was sold recently? seller was asking approx €799 if I remember correct? the X9, did you buy this player from Japan? there are 3 of them for sale on german ebay
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substance
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 19:30 |
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My list and ranking are solely on the composite output. There really isn’t a LD player with a decent Svideo output except maybe h9 and r7g. Both thei mitsu chip in x9/s9 and nec in x0 has more issues than benefit. If you are serious about your video quality, you should avoid svideo on all players except h9 and r7g. X9 solely as a ntsc player is far from perfect. It can play muse discs which is a valid point to choose it over 97. X9 has less luma noise and crosstalk than 97. 97 has significantly less chroma noise where Ld medium has the most problem. Assume 97 has no dnr as its junk. X9 has the best dnr on any LD player. On up to moderate settings I didn’t see any annoying artifacts. X0 showed blocking artifacts on even the lowest settings. I stopped using dnr on it but it generally does not need any dnr as it is already the cleanest picture without any. Its so clean that it beats the x9 on highest dnr setting. S2 is indeed close but still the picture looks a little different. Probably due to lower bit depth dac at the video output. %95 of what you read online about LD players is either outdated or written by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Most of them have not even seen these equipment from distance but they talk anyway. There is also a whole bunch who has extremely biased opinions because they sank way too much money in their expensive player and they can’t get out of the Ld nostalgia. There is really a handful who you can trust. Up until I bought my X9 and X0, all comments were that they vastly superior to anything including DVD. I am pretty I was the first one to come out and say they are only slightly better than commonly available S2/97 and others. I even went further and ranked the 97 ahead of the X9. My most upsetting comment is perhaps no matter how much money and time you sink into LD, a $50 DVD player will beat it senseless
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: CLD-R7G Arrived! Posted: 27 Nov 2017, 01:11 |
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I agree with Kurtis, Substance and others who have posted great points. Right now we are dealing with the super tail end of the death of Laserdisc and we have to consider what the best players are but also what are the best "working" players. Someone who has a working S201 will beat any broken X0 player period. We have to figure out that we are no longer in a day of CRT domination and in a day of no more parts. When considering to buy a player for 1500 dollars, yen or even euro you must understand that the lifespan of that player is going to be very limited at best. And my comments above were about using S-Video on a CRT and both being top of the line TV and player. Now if I had to use composite I would take a 95 over an R7G as the R7G would be just like a super fast flipping version of a lower model player using yellow video composite. For my setup now I have older players that I personally am happy with, are the top of the line, for back in the day they were top or top 4 but now they are not. Anybody that is willing to spend the crazy money on players or discs I want to thank you as you may one day buy some of my discs when I cycle through them
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