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 Post subject: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 16 Sep 2015, 20:45 
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I am not the one who has the know-how for this kind of thing but I realized there isn't a thread about helping those who might be interested in actually watching their anime lds. I for one, pass on a lot of cool anime due to the fact I don't speak Japanese and LD format doesn't offer English subtitles.

What kind of equipment is needed?
Where can we find the subtitles?

Please ask your questions here and those who have the answers can contribute here.
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 17 Sep 2015, 11:09 
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those are good starts hopefully someone can help with this.
another is:

what exactly is the setup for this? I mean
LDplayer -> Computer -> TV or avr
LD player->device/computer -> output from device [with ldplayer and computer merged] to TV
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 17 Sep 2015, 11:55 
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substance wrote:
What kind of equipment is needed?
Where can we find the subtitles?


Please take a look at these related threads:

LD to VHS fansubbing - how was it done? (and this post)
BlackMagic Intensity Pro for GENLOCK (video overlay) ?
Japanese Anime Releases in English?

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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 17 Sep 2015, 16:06 
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I made a quick and dirty video that I uploaded to youtube. You could watch it and get an idea on how it works. By no means am I an expert on the subject. When it comes to the subtitle files, they're also obsolete like LDs. It did exist web pages with that stuff many years ago, but gone by now. I'm talking about LD specific fansubs. You could probably adapt subtitles from DVDs or BDs if you feel like using a lot of time editing the files.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57VxrYLRN0U

publius seem to know a bit about this. Maybe he can shed som more light on the subject.
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 17 Sep 2015, 20:22 
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The almost total disappearance of subtitle files from the Internet by 2015 puzzles me. They used to be on dozens of sites with multiple redundant mirrors and everything. I have a few I got from Publius but I lost the huge archive I had of them in the 90s and apparently so did most people.
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PostPosted: 17 Sep 2015, 21:38 
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It still does exist a lot of web sites with subtitle files, but not laserdisc friendly. Mostly for ripped DVDs converted to xvid or something. Of course, you could do that with laserdisc, rip and convert it, but that takes a lot more time and effort than from a DVD.

This is the type of thing people take for granted while it is commonly available. Suddenly it just disappears and nobody kept backup of it.

I PMd publius earlier this summer and got a link to his archive (here). It is 90MB and not sorted. He also linked a couple of seperate archives for Ghibli movies and Mobile Suit Gundam. This big archive contain subtitles for just a small portion of the anime available. Some are incomplete or won't convert in SubStationAlpha.
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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2015, 02:56 
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Ah good memories...

I remember setup'ing my CLD-R5 via my PC videocard (with composite IN and OUT) able to layer subtitles on the fly.
Got to watch Chronicles of Lodoss War and Escaflowne like that.

That was in 2001. Time flies.

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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2015, 21:20 
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Been looking into how to convert some of the old subtitle files. Many have the filename "*.js", which is very ancient. These are JACOsub files. JACOsub is a subtitle program made for the Amiga computers. For those of you who don't know, those computers were very popular in the late 80s and through the 90s. The company went bankrupt in 1994, but the computers were still popular until around the year 2000. These computers are a completely seperate platform from PCs and not Windows/DOS compatible.

I've seen references to a program called "js2ssa" several places, mostly ancient forum posts. Do anyone happen to have this program available? I'd like to get my hands on it. The Princess Mononoke subtitles doesn't convert in SubStationAlpha, I need to convert these another way.

Not easy stuff, but if the files can be converted, then it will give us a few more possibilities with anime releases on laserdisc. :)
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2015, 21:58 
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SubStation Alpha will open most of the JACOsub files, & silently produce an SSA, which is what you then work with. In my experience there are some which give glitches, but you can open in a text editor & make them work manually.
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PostPosted: 18 Sep 2015, 23:00 
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samaron wrote:
I've seen references to a program called "js2ssa" several places, mostly ancient forum posts. Do anyone happen to have this program available? I'd like to get my hands on it. The Princess Mononoke subtitles doesn't convert in SubStationAlpha, I need to convert these another way.


I have js2ssa - but I'm not sure if I ever used it.
As Publius mentioned, you can open .js files with SubStationAlpha.
If that does not work there is a error logfile that hopefully explains what the problem is.
It is called sconverr.log - check it.

Some other converters I have are called:
SubAdjust / multicon.exe, smi-conv.exe (they don't not work on w7-64 anymore) / Sconv 1.30
It's been a long time since I used any of them, so not sure which one worked best.
Just playing around a bit and SubAdjust seems to enjoy to crash a lot :P
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2015, 23:09 
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I'll look into that tomorrow. Side 1 opened fine (and got converted to ssa), but side 2 and 3 gave an error message. I'll check out that error log and try adjusting the values manually.

Would it be possible to use subtitles from a DVD? Were thinking it should work if the timing were adjusted, hopefully just the start delay.

Also, if I could get a copy of all those old conversion programs I'd be very happy. Exactly the type of thing I like to backup, never know when it comes in handy. Don't worry about me not being able to use it, I own PCs all the way from 8088 to modern i7. I do also own some Amiga computers, but don't have a compatible genlock. If not I'd just run the js files directly the way they were intended to be. :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 19 Sep 2015, 08:54 
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You need to extract subtitles from DVD, they will be in some obscure graphic format.
I'm sure there are guides or tutorials about how to do it exactly.
Then, you need a software called "SubRip" to manually OCR those graphics, they can be saved as .srt then.
Then you convert that .srt to .ssa and you have a script you can edit/retime.

Amiga compatible genlocks show up on ebay all the time, dunno if its worth it.
I never had an Amiga, I had an Atari ST back in that time-frame and never did anything with genlocks then.

Send me a PM with your email address, then I'll send you those converters.
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 19 Sep 2015, 22:14 
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One suggestion for recovering some of the scripts which have disappeared from the Internet is to do some digital archaeology with the archive.org trove of anime data. Everything from old textfiles and FAQs to still working sites from years back can yield links which lead to links and so on (it's amazing how many ancient anime pages are in the archive, and I love digging through stuff from the era when laserdisc was king). Find some old links to once working script sites and then see what's preserved in the archive. For example, I did a quick search on scripts and found a link in the Google usenet archive which led me to this script site which still has working .zip downloads of scripts on the archive of it (this page died in 1999!): https://web.archive.org/web/19970114103 ... crypt.html
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 04:11 
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With modern graphics cards, couldn't it be just as simple as feeding the LD video through a capture card, laying subs ontop of that, setting that program up to display only on one screen, and then send that out to your TV via HDMI?
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PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 10:31 
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More or less the same process that Julien used, as mentioned earlier in this thread. Remember that this process is more or less obsolete now. Not sure if there are any modern software available that could do it that way. I still think the easiest way is using SubStationAlpha and a genlock with an old computer running Windows 98SE or XP.
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 Post subject: Re: Guide to making Japanese anime releases English friendly
PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 19:04 
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It appears like in short no hope for those who is looking for a less complicated solution. I was hoping there was a box of some sort which can overlay subs without hurting the image too bad. I should perhaps keep myself away. If I inflict myself with this decease, I will have to do all sort of things to watch Anime LDs:)
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PostPosted: 03 Oct 2015, 21:11 
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The LD image it self isn't touched, the subtitles are just overlayed onto the video. Can't say I see any reduction in image quality on the video it self. Basically the same that has been used with CC, teletext, LD-G, all look just fine with subtitles superimposed.

The process it self isn't that complicated. Either way you will have to include a computer to get this done anyway. Once the overlay image is set on the genlock (on mine you can store the settings), all you have to do is start the subtitles at the right time. Usually at the very start of the disc. Just have a look at my youtube video. I'm sure this is something everyone could do if they wanted to.
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For anyone who has found this thread and is looking for an easy way of running SubStation Alpha on 64-bit Windows systems, have a look at these links:
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/339251-SUB-STATION-ALPHA-4-08-For-64-Bits-Systems
https://www.videohelp.com/software/Sub-Station-Alpha
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