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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 04 Apr 2018, 20:20 |
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sjoerg wrote: It's certainly been on my list for some time, I guess I've been offput by the bloated prices on ebay, always seem to miss the low selling ones... Yeah, I sold one for a lot then thought I should have it and picked it up again cheap. Haven't even used it yet. 
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clashradio
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 00:03 |
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elahrairrah wrote: Yeah, the Panasonic DMR-ES25 is definitely a 3D comb filter. Not the greatest 3D comb filter, but it definitely doesn't behave like a 2D filter. Do you know if the HDMI outputs at 480i? By any chance do you know if the comb filter is better than the built in CF on the HLD-X0? Attached in a still from the s-video out of my X0. Attachment:
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happycube
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 05:18 |
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@clashradio: I seem to remember mine doing 480p, but i haven't used it in a while (and it prolly needs a recapping  ) There's definitely room to improve on the comb filtering there - if you have the money, you should pair that up with an Lumagen 2144 while they're still around!
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clashradio
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 13:21 |
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happycube wrote: @clashradio: I seem to remember mine doing 480p, but i haven't used it in a while (and it prolly needs a recapping  ) There's definitely room to improve on the comb filtering there - if you have the money, you should pair that up with an Lumagen 2144 while they're still around! I do have a 2144, which is mind blowing on how good the S&W looks. But the only interlace option is 1080. I keep reading ppl say NOT to upscale. So that leaves me with 480p. Where I think a dvd-recorder outputs (pass-through) at 480i and I'm hoping that is for both component and hdmi?
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 17:17 |
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The people saying not to upscale don't have anything like a 2144.  If you're using an LCD or any other modern display you're scaling somewhere along the line. And you've got the best scaler, use it!
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 21:11 |
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clashradio wrote: elahrairrah wrote: Yeah, the Panasonic DMR-ES25 is definitely a 3D comb filter. Not the greatest 3D comb filter, but it definitely doesn't behave like a 2D filter. Do you know if the HDMI outputs at 480i? By any chance do you know if the comb filter is better than the built in CF on the HLD-X0? Attached in a still from the s-video out of my X0. Attachment: Image1.jpg When I get home, I'll plug it into my Plasma TV via HDMI and check to see if it gives the option to output at 480i As far as comparing it to the comb filter in the X0--that I can't be sure of. I'll take a photo of the Snell&Wilcox test plate using the composite out from my Runco LJR-II into the ES25, and let you decide.
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 07 Jun 2018, 23:04 |
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clashradio wrote: I do have a 2144, which is mind blowing on how good the S&W looks. But the only interlace option is 1080. I keep reading ppl say NOT to upscale. So that leaves me with 480p. Where I think a dvd-recorder outputs (pass-through) at 480i and I'm hoping that is for both component and hdmi? I'm curious what your specific need/reasoning for 480i is? 480p isn't scaled, just de-interlaced. Like happycube says on any modern display there must be scaling somewhere in the chain. The only reason I could think of is to feed into a SD CRT, but then how many of those have hdmi or dvi inputs??
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cineasten
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 14 Nov 2018, 16:05 |
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Will a DVD recorder improve picture quality, if what you're looking for is a filmic unfiltered sharper and clearer image? I recently purchased the Pioneer CLD-D590. I've hooked it up to a Panasonic plasma 50" ST60 using composite. I've activated the 3D Comb filter in the TV and have all picture "enchancements" off (when used they imo only hampers the image). I've played around with settings such as basic contrast, brightness and color settings, and while the end result is decent, it's far from satisfactory. I wasn't expecting miracles since this is LD and so many of us have been spoiled by Blu-Ray and HDTV for years, so my expectations was set realistically from the onset. The quality varies from disc to disc. T2 TXH widescreeen special collector's CAV edition and Top Gun THX widescreen looking good (as in filmic texture and colors), while Bram Stoker's Dracula (japanese widescreeen) and Beverly Hills Cop looking murky, lacking texture with a nosiy and borderline VHS look. I own about 10 discs, and like I said the PQ varies but they all share one nagging trait, they all look out of focus. I'm squinting constantly(nothing wrong with my eyesight) . Sure, it may have to do with the distance to the TV, although I doubt it, I'm sitting about 9 feet away. SO what to do? I've read a lot here and in other places and I've com to the conclusion that line-doublers, externals scalers are out. They are either way too expensive or probably inferior to scaling capabilities in my plasma. What remains is using a DVD recorder. I've checked this out https://www.mediacollege.com/equipment/ ... mre65.htmlThe plan is to use to 3d Comb filter in the DVR and to connect the LD through composite to it and component out to the plasma. Will this improve PQ, and in what way? Will it do what I hope, namely sharpen things up and provide an improved depth of field without giving the picture a digitized look and/or other DVD-like artifacts (such as compression issues, banding, aliasing, EE, etc. Does anyone own it or know if it's up to snuff? Any other tips would also be welcome. Thanks! 
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rein-o
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 15 Nov 2018, 04:36 |
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cineasten wrote: Thanks for the feedback. Although, I'm surprised that no one mentioned or answered any of my questions in regards to the DVD recorder(Panasonic DMR-E65). I have no experience with that model or any DVD recorder for that matter, actually I did own one years ago and it was great for recording but I didn't use it for a filter. While it may improve the image you may not be seeing what you want to see. Its still an older analog video technology that can look great for what it was on modern equipment. From the pictures in another post I would say that you could get an image slightly better than DVD IF you are willing to spend the cash. I believe mimilovesjapan has an X0 and lumagen scaler, posted some great images of Heavy Metal.
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Post subject: Re: DVD Recorders with 3D Comb Filters  Posted: 15 Nov 2018, 17:06 |
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signofzeta wrote: I think what you’re experiencing is “Laserdisc”. Yep. Any media format tbh. DVDs have wild variance. RE: DVD recorders, one I picked up awhile back has helped greatly with a plasma set I have. Much better than the lower end DVDO and Lumagen units I have. I did not compare with DVDO Duo because I didn't want to unhook that from its current installation.
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