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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:17 
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A photo shot on film, replicated in a completely analog way, and then sent through the post to each of us?

Because if it's like...a digital camera or something then we all know that's a digital LIE.
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 20:29 
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Anynome, do you even own a hi-vision disc player?
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 21:03 
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Hi,

Tried with a 4k digital photo device. Still not good, color, brigthness are good, but all the photo are blured...
Will try with slow motion mode, or perhaps you want one for the color and brigthness ?

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 21:20 
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anonyme-x22 wrote:
And for those who fears the death of the devices, i managed to repair one which has the head totaly destroyed with clay and nails, so i think's it's telling how there machines can be eternal.


Would be very interested in seeing a photo of the laserdisc player repair you carried out using 'clay and nails' :shock:
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 21:28 
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laserdisc_fan wrote:
anonyme-x22 wrote:
And for those who fears the death of the devices, i managed to repair one which has the head totaly destroyed with clay and nails, so i think's it's telling how there machines can be eternal.


Would be very interested in seeing a photo of the laserdisc player repair you carried out using 'clay and nails' :shock:

ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would like to see that also.

I think Anonyme needs to do more action and less talk.
Also i have no need to see any digital pictures from a 4K camera of a TV set showing a laserdisc.
Show us a disc that you have made with clay and nails.......
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 28 Sep 2016, 22:09 
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Hi,

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Anonyme needs to do more action and less talk.


Guide me.
I'm working on finding if there is something left for us. (devices for pressing laserdisc)
I'm also in touch with disney for learning the process to get film material in order to use them.
But if someone know what we need for LD pressing, please tell us!

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Would be very interested in seeing a photo of the laserdisc player repair you carried out using 'clay and nails' :shock:


No problem, the new part will arrive shortly.

Here are the picture of the first carved laserdisc by the defective head :
http://hpics.li/541fa05
http://hpics.li/bc49b7b

Here are the picture of the second carved laserdisc by the defective head which i'm trying to restore:
http://hpics.li/1ee8dd6
http://hpics.li/609a59d
As you can see, no more evidences that the laserdisc was carved but unfortunately, still have issue on the begining.

Here are the 120" displaying A LD pictures: (For those interested SVHS out/SVHS In, no filter, rescaler, or denoiser)
http://hpics.li/cc545e0
http://hpics.li/b08b1c5
http://hpics.li/5d6ebd0
http://hpics.li/c677c8e
http://hpics.li/4ebd3e5
http://hpics.li/3629522
http://hpics.li/76d7f96
http://hpics.li/15b6b41
http://hpics.li/e71a4da
http://hpics.li/c0dcd7d
http://hpics.li/a839add
http://hpics.li/42a9398
http://hpics.li/fefeb63

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 00:04 
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So you got a Laserdisc on a turntable synced with a clay nails AVR?

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 03:14 
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What's funny is that I've taken better pictures of LD playback myself yet I'm totally against his analog silliness.

Good choice in movies though.
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 06:25 
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anonyme-x22 wrote:
Even with 2K resolution, image is bader than the LD with natural eye view!

This is from a 2K master.
http://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0& ... 63&i=7&l=0
Please let me know if you'll ever find a Laserdisc that provides an image a fraction as good as this.
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 06:53 
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Hi,

I already told you, have blue ray, and the link you provided to me don't change my opignon. For my eyes it's without any charms, cold colors, pixels showing, specially the one on the beach, and this on picture. Don't even image the mass of pixel show in this scene animated! The master and it's pressing on blue ray are the same. Nothing enjoyable at all. that's why i watch LD, not blueray as pleasure watching, blue ray is only as discovering a new movie before buying it on LD when available. And the fact that the master and the blue ray are pretty close don't even interest me.

Never the master of a vinyl, will be the same as the original master. That's also why vinyl is enjoyable, as LD. A lot of works must be done before pressing the support. Not a simple data transfer.

In fact, hearing original audio master should please you. It's as the 2k master you showed me...
Perhaps you also love the direct, and optical output of an amplifier: All these thing are reducing the audio/video human post processing to nothing, as their work, if they still have one.

Even if the picture are blured, the amadeus screen shots, when i opens them, are more enjoyable for me. Good new that i found a new copy, because the first one has gone carved!

I'm still convinced that an Ld can do a lot better today, due to lack of support of it, a lot of them were pressed with a master not different that these ones used for the VHS. Also due to 4:3/16:9 issue, and the state that is was easier for consumer to watch the LD without setting the screen, the picture are stored in quite-half of the available VL in WS LD. But today we can store the picture with almost-all VL in anamorphic, and even more, as service VL, weren't used, we could the full 625VL pal signal and telling people to switch to there screen format with is almost today 16:9. In this case the overall resolution (Because you seem very interested in that) should be doubled.

Does this will be better than blueray. It's not possible, it's not similar at all. Does it will look better than a blue ray. I bet than in hi-vision, a lot of people would tell you this...

Also, things that tell me that i'm on the good way. Chart of LD selling, are growing...

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 07:59 
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We need new players.

Think Hi-Fi Man, kickstarted by audiophiles for audiophiles and manufactured in China.

Imagine a player redesigned, super reliable and robust, the best specs of the best players. MUSE Hi-Vision capable all in one box. You could use generic off-the-shelf parts to maintain. Say for $3000. About the (adjusted for inflation) average that people use to pay for a new player.

Say $1000 down, get a 100 people doing that. That's $100,000 for an engineer to build a prototype and get the tooling done in a factory then you could manufacture thousands.

Imagine being in the club that bought the first run. It would feel elite. Like we were part of something again..

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 16:28 
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Hi,

I agree. but come to think that these player are eternal. You only need the part to repair them.
Most of them are plastic parts, so today you can print them.
So my advise, don't put to thrash valuable reader because, they will ever be reparable, unless you break the mother board or something very proprietary.
But we still need the laser beam, the part i'm still not sure than can be replaced by generic one. But it can be easily produced for nothing. Also don't know but a so huge laser beam should works years and years. Experiences about durability of the laser beam from other ones ????

So my friends, don't loose hope, we're here to help you repairing your broken reader. Don't fear that as no new reader are produced, you won't be able to see your beloved LD again.

Producing part for a device is very easy...

All of this to say, that yes we need reader, but not at first, because hardware without software won't be a success. All the passionate have a reader now and they want new LD with not 10k pixel but decent quality viewing and don't think it's impossible, because did you saw the picture of a 3m screen displaying an LD with a 1:1 distance ratio. Ok, it's blured, but beside the photo capture issue, this is not awful. So with a good analog/digital converted hdmi out, the old format pressed with full VL for 80% of the consummer (107cm device) will be a pleasure to enjoy, and the hi-vision for the last one (>107cm). But don't forget that this is us with our money if you want of course (not your harm, but 10-100€ what is it for a great enterprise) not the compagnies that will do that. They don't want it because, if user a knowing that we can have descent show with an free technology, it's all their plan (Numeric replacement of anything, including human!, planned technology obsolescence, buy and buy and buy again...) that will fall to death!
First we need to regain strength within our circle by producing new optimized laserdisc. The rest will follow.

Regarding the reader, i'm think you to pessimistic, doing a copy of the CLD-D925 would cost about 200-300€ the reader in the box. As i'm repeating myself, all component except some proprietary ones are electronic integrated components, whose bought in quantity cost nothing. The most expensive part in these reader are the Video-CD Mpeg 1 card and the hq quality circuit, which can be removed, i think as i got better out without it. And you ?
Do you still need a VCD compatibility ?
Regarding the hi-vision muse, of course we will integrate it in the reader, as it will become the standard format, old format compatibility will be retained of course. And you even don't have idea of what i got in my head for these copy. (Double head, rethinked head metal rail, instant autoreverse, instant reading of side A-B you know like the old real to real player with autoreverse function, double motor, laserdisc stabilizer, HDMI out, Built-in Denoiser, scaler, all analog parameter control by real cursor, not an osd on screen, replacement of plastic part by metal one, double loading tray, in fact you won't need anymore to charge the second laserdisc, included ac3 demodulator, included hi-vision...) but for this one effectivly it should cost about 600€.

Did you told your friend that the laserdisc exist ?
Told about it to people around you ?
Organized friendly cinema party with digital an analog watching ?

For the most advanced user:
Did you search for informations regarding the devices we need ?

Still need your help. Help yourself, and the other will help you!
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 18:24 
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Hi,
Also to have weight at companies, i would like to speak of us in the name of:
The French-US Laserdisc distribution community!

Does it bother you?

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 18:38 
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With this level of intellect, I am surprised you can operate a laserdisc player to be honest.
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 20:04 
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This thread is utterly bizarre.
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 21:15 
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Question for X22 and Forper: is there any analog format so bad you won't be able to enjoy it? We know you love LD, what about VHS? CED? Would you rather watch a PXL2000 tape than a Bluray?
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 22:48 
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godzilla-2000 wrote:
Why not take the best of all worlds, and enjoy every format for what it is?


That's probably the only thing posted in this thread that makes any sense!

I've absolutely nothing against either older or newer formats.
It's the content I'm after on the best available format.
That usually means blu-ray for most new content, but not always because music releases don't always get issued on blu-ray and very few music re-issues exist. So often it is just DVD, laserdisc or if I'm really unlucky VHS or VHD.

One release though that the sticks out like a sore thumb in my entire collection is Mick Fleetwood - The Visitor.
I've searched everywhere and as far as I can tell this was ONLY ever released on SelectaVision CED in USA. There was no VHS, Betamax or laserdisc version. I suspect this probably happened because Mick was signed to RCA for his solo music releases in 1981 so RCA probably insisted the companion video release was issued on their up and coming CED format since it was launched that same year. So reluctant though I was to start acquiring CEDs I own that one, as its the only format the video content appears to have been released on, as crazy as it seems!
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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 23:06 
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That's probably the only thing posted in this thread that makes any sense!


I feel bad that you don't even mentioned the first post...
Of course you're right, but i already answered why we can't keep it all alive.

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 Post subject: Re: Project Laserdisc reawakening
PostPosted: 29 Sep 2016, 23:10 
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Hi,

answer for signofzeta,

yes for me. anything analog with new content will do the job even the 8mm+sound to synchronize if no other analog choice. Fortunately, the laserdisc is the alternative for me. But seriously thought to buy 35mm film...before seeing the price of them...
You have two choice today, be a sheep, or an eagle. The eagle will never go in town..., so it also won't see the cheeseburger, but also it will never be fat!

Also imagine in the 1800-1900, the blueray are the united state, and the laserdisc the red man...
Or more partial, digital is the united state, analog is the red man...
Ps: don't take it personaly, it's only analogy. :)

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This thread is absurd but I do agree wih laserdiscfan that the audio on LD is
Vastly superiour to DVD, even to some Blue Ray releases. DVD Video however
is clearly better in terms of video quality. You have to be truly mental in order
to prefer LD to Blue Ray. Its like prefering AM Stereo to an SACD release.

Someone wrote that MP3 is better than vinyl in terms of dynamic range.

MP3 is about the shittiest format on this planet and I only take if there is
absolutely no alternative. A very well mastered vinyl disc on a good setup with
a good pre amplifier and pick up system beats 98% of all CDs ever released
on this planet. One of the few CD releases that truly convince me is
the Japanese first release of Michael Jacksons Thriller.
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