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 Post subject: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some problems
PostPosted: 14 Sep 2017, 21:14 
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Hello,

So I just bought a new Kenwood LVD-K5100 LD Player, as it was the only somewhat new model in a local old shop I thought would make up for my older dodgy LD player, instead of ordering one online. It was on display as a demo unit, I think, for years in the store, but technically new, and looks new, however, I'm running into a few problems.

Firstly it does not come with any kind of remote, and it did come with a box and manual. The manual doesn't even make mention of any kind of remote, and I have no way to skip to parts specific parts within chapters as well.

What kind of remote can be used with this player and where can it be purchased?


Second, I just popped in a few Laserdiscs and I see all kinds of heavy noise, heavy straight and swiggyly lines in random places, red colors in particular tend filled with moving lines and I also see random worn "Vhs" quality in the picture.

I had to turn down the color, and contrast and turn up the brightness to get a semi-decent picture. I just doesnt feel right.

I am using a fake late 2000's CRT TV, but I do not see issues with my VHS, DVD or other retro video games systems that I also use with it and I even plug them into the same wall with the same cords and UPS and once again barely see issues. Weird coloring can sometimes happen to a small degree with them but once adjusted it is fine, but not with the laserdisc player.

BTW, I noticed this issue with all the other old but used LD players I had.

What can I purchase to completly fix this image quality problem? Mind you, manually repairing the LD player and/or shipping it to someone is out of the question.

Let me know how you can help asap. Thanks
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 01:18 
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LD is a noisy format, you see it a lot in reds. Your TV needs to be calibrated to make the most of it.

However it sounds like you are saying it looks worse than VHS and that shouldn't be the case.

Many things can add to noise in general such as vibration, dried out capacitors, etc but a huge one is crosstalk. If the laser is out of alignment you'll get crosstalk on CLV discs, described as a herring bone pattern. Do you have any CAV discs and do they look look significantly better?
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 02:05 
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Remember none if any LD players are new anymore.
You may find one that someone has squirreled away but its still old and could have been tested once or twice, and used is used.

Can you post pictures of what your image looks like, it shouldn't look like a VHS unless its a bootleg LD that has been transferred from a VHS tape.
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 05:28 
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Yeah, as far as we know its been 8 years since the last players were made and most were made at least a decade earlier than that. My main player is 22 years old!

Which reminds me, my LD-W1 done broke (27 years old). Who's the guy in Michigan?
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 11:59 
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Hello,

Showing a pic wouldn't help, I've pretty much already described the range of issues that are usually present in each video in varying degrees.

Two questions:

1.How can i improve the picture quality so it top notch and how it was originally meant to be?

2. Where can I buy a remote for this particular model?


Can anyone help me out?
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 12:33 
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springleap000 wrote:
Hello,

Showing a pic wouldn't help, I've pretty much already described the range of issues that are usually present in each video in varying degrees.

Two questions:

1.How can i improve the picture quality so it top notch and how it was originally meant to be?

2. Where can I buy a remote for this particular model?


Can anyone help me out?

Pictures would help us try to figure out if this model of LD player is a rebadged Pioneer, Panasonic, Philips, etc. player. Knowing that, we can then try to help you find a compatible remote.
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 15 Sep 2017, 21:34 
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Pictures of the image would also help us to let you know if its really the player of just the way LD looks in the first place.

Help me help you. :mrgreen:
Or help us help you. :mrgreen:
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 16 Sep 2017, 12:23 
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rein-o wrote:
Pictures of the image would also help us to let you know if its really the player of just the way LD looks in the first place.

Help me help you. :mrgreen:
Or help us help you. :mrgreen:



Please find the pictures of everything in the link below, pics need to be downloaded :

https://we.tl/RJ0JrRMWUv

Notes:

Okay here we go. TV is a supercom semi-CRT screen from 2007. LD is Freddy's Dead, it is the Image Entertainment release from 1992, had some very mild scratches.

Player and TV settings are pictured. The second setting that is pictured towards the end, which includes the pics that follow, is what i usually use for everything. As you can tell, the picture quality is even worse with this setting. \

How can you guys help?

Thanks
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 04:34 
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Welcome to the world of Laserdisc.
I believe this is alising, or something like that.

It could also be something with settings, sharpness is not too high so I don't believe its from that but you will have to mess around with it.

From your pictures its not crosstalk, it could also be your video cable, try another one or pickup a better one.
Good luck.
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 05:38 
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springleap000 wrote:
Okay here we go.


This looks like Moiré patterns.

I used to have such pattern playing old video game consoles over composite to cheap TV sets back in the 90s...
Solution was to buy the S-Video (or RGB if available) cables for each console.

I would say:

  • Try a different cable
  • If you're using composite, try S-Video and vice versa
  • Turn off any DNR on the screen side

The Supercom is a computer monitor designed for PC VGA signals I suppose?
Not much parameters you can tweak on the screen side?

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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 10:51 
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A few things:

I'm not sure about a remote. That's a player I've never seen. Its clearly a karaoke model but doesn't have any mic jacks on the front. I also don't see an IR receiver so maybe it never had a remote? Can we see the back panel?

As for the picture, its hard to say. It looks bad for sure, but not in a very specific way. Major moiré obviously, but why? Do you have another TV? Is it possible the cable is really bad or is being routed through some interference?
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 15:30 
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Ah, Morie that's what it was, couldn't remember and was too lazy to search it LOL
At least its a fix that can be done, you just need to figure out what is causing it.
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 Post subject: Re: Bought a New Kenwood LVD - K5100 - Need help, some probl
PostPosted: 18 Sep 2017, 22:45 
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If the second picture 10.jpg is your TV menu settings (that's what it looks like to me) then you have ground loop issues when connecting the video cable. It the patterns are there with the cable connected and gone with the cable disconnected you have grounding issues.
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