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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 25 May 2019, 20:01 |
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Yeah, we’re going to need some kind of technical info or this story isn’t of much use. Your friend clearly knew exactly what the issue is, perhaps you can quote him. You’re saying that the TV has a composite video input yet it’s non-functional from the factory. Did your friend build a sync device or an NTSC/PAL converter or flip the pins or what? I’m sort of surprised Sony didn’t just replace the thing instantly. There’s no reason they should disbelieve your claim and even if they did you guys still have warranty laws over there. I don’t have any trouble believing that the picture eventually was great. I have a 4K Bravia from 2017 and it is just amazing with LD. People really need to be looking at what new TVs can do before they blow thou$sand$ on boutique boxes. I’m not saying I’ve ever seen those high end scalers in action but I am a total nit picky snob and my main setup is still HD CRT so I’m pretty sure for %90 of LD owners new Sony’s (and probably other makes) will satisfy completely. If I’m not miserable watching any LD setup its probably a good one.
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substance
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 25 May 2019, 21:49 |
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signofzeta wrote: Yeah, we’re going to need some kind of technical info or this story isn’t of much use. Your friend clearly knew exactly what the issue is, perhaps you can quote him. You’re saying that the TV has a composite video input yet it’s non-functional from the factory. Did your friend build a sync device or an NTSC/PAL converter or flip the pins or what? I’m sort of surprised Sony didn’t just replace the thing instantly. There’s no reason they should disbelieve your claim and even if they did you guys still have warranty laws over there. I don’t have any trouble believing that the picture eventually was great. I have a 4K Bravia from 2017 and it is just amazing with LD. People really need to be looking at what new TVs can do before they blow thou$sand$ on boutique boxes. I’m not saying I’ve ever seen those high end scalers in action but I am a total nit picky snob and my main setup is still HD CRT so I’m pretty sure for %90 of LD owners new Sony’s (and probably other makes) will satisfy completely. If I’m not miserable watching any LD setup its probably a good one. Keep telling people current TVs way surpassed almost all of those now obsolete video processors but see many people blow hundreds on them anyway. Expecially those old Faroudja, DVDO and no name boxes are literally door stops now. Unless you have the funds and fortune to find a working Crystalio II or Lumagen Radiance 2144, there is no reason for video processors. They actually degrade video, they are antiquated technology.
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invenio
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 25 May 2019, 23:42 |
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substance wrote: It's a 4 pole 3.5mm headphone phone jack on the TV. Pole 2 has video and Pole 3 has common ground. Pole 1 and 4 have L and R audio respectively. It's a breakout cable not supplied with Sony TVs. it's a composite input and stereo audio on one jack. You don't need an engineer for this. So what leads are being changed/swapped? You would figure it's a standard.
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substance
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 25 May 2019, 23:52 |
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invenio wrote: substance wrote: It's a 4 pole 3.5mm headphone phone jack on the TV. Pole 2 has video and Pole 3 has common ground. Pole 1 and 4 have L and R audio respectively. It's a breakout cable not supplied with Sony TVs. it's a composite input and stereo audio on one jack. You don't need an engineer for this. So what leads are being changed/swapped? You would figure it's a standard. Typically the bottom (4th) pole is ground.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 26 May 2019, 03:01 |
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substance wrote: invenio wrote: substance wrote: It's a 4 pole 3.5mm headphone phone jack on the TV. Pole 2 has video and Pole 3 has common ground. Pole 1 and 4 have L and R audio respectively. It's a breakout cable not supplied with Sony TVs. it's a composite input and stereo audio on one jack. You don't need an engineer for this. So what leads are being changed/swapped? You would figure it's a standard. Typically the bottom (4th) pole is ground. Sony has been selling 1/8” TRS combo video stuff since the Watchman days. The most recent thing that I had that used it was the PSOne mobile LCD screen until I got this TV of course. I can’t say for certain if they ever changed the pins but they may have. This is the company that still uses proprietary charging cables on its Walkmans in 2019 after all. The company that manufactured an insane number of models of portable players in the 90s and a unique DC supply for (as far as I can tell) every single dang one of them so you actually feel like a single NW port is at least nicer than a new one with every Walkman you buy.
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forper
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 27 May 2019, 06:12 |
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substance wrote: Keep telling people current TVs way surpassed almost all of those now obsolete video processors but see many people blow hundreds on them anyway. Expecially those old Faroudja, DVDO and no name boxes are literally door stops now. Unless you have the funds and fortune to find a working Crystalio II or Lumagen Radiance 2144, there is no reason for video processors. They actually degrade video, they are antiquated technology.
So do these current TVs provide scaling and allow fine adjustments to aspect ratios of different films like my DVDO does?
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 28 May 2019, 16:50 |
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forper wrote: substance wrote: Keep telling people current TVs way surpassed almost all of those now obsolete video processors but see many people blow hundreds on them anyway. Expecially those old Faroudja, DVDO and no name boxes are literally door stops now. Unless you have the funds and fortune to find a working Crystalio II or Lumagen Radiance 2144, there is no reason for video processors. They actually degrade video, they are antiquated technology.
So do these current TVs provide scaling and allow fine adjustments to aspect ratios of different films like my DVDO does? I’ve never in my life seen a TV that doesn’t scale. What’s the alternative? A small 480i image in the middle of the screen with scanlines? Fine adjustments to aspect radio are very rare in normal TVs. That part you’ll be without. I’ve never needed this though personally. Those people who come here confused because their off brand POS won’t zoom properly to display 4:3...you won’t have that problem with a Sony. Any Sony ever, pretty much. You’ll have four modes, two of which are funhouse stretch crap and two you actually use, Normal and Zoom. I have three Bravia, one HDCRT, one HDLCD, and one 4KLCD, they are all like this. I give Sony a hard time a lot. I do this because they deserve it. Their massive size and management structure make them almost Soviet at times in their decision making. However at the same time I give them a lot of credit because they also deserve that. Their TVs are still my favorite after all the commotion of the switch to HD and 4K. Also that thing where their Walkman stuff is “for music lovers by music lovers” is no BS. They are one of the only companies making portable music players that are in fact portable music players and not hyperconnected wireless multimedia cloud machines you don’t even really own. If you want to play games while wanking and listening to day old music, get an Android. When you want something that actually play classical music properly, in sequence with no gaps, and from local storage...you want something more like a Walkman.
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sonicboom
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 28 May 2019, 18:02 |
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Welcome to the Sony 4K club I'm glad people are realizing that modern TVs can present a nice image for LD out of the box. It may even rival magic boxes costing thousands of dollars. Maybe. The fact that you may need a breakout cable moving forward is not ideal but as long as it works - it works. Glad you figured it out and thanks for sharing your experience. With regard to AR settings on a Sony, as mentioned, you only really need "Normal" (4:3) and "Zoom" (1.78:1 Letterbox = Full Screen). A 2.35 movie would be correct on the Zoom setting. 1.66 movies are hard to get right however. I'll usually use the Normal 4:3 setting and know the top and bottom are slightly cropped. If you need to matte out burned in subtitles (Japanese movies) then you are SOL on that front. Scaling is fine nothing to mention, like ringing. I highly recommend looking up your TV or one you're looking to buy and seeing if it has the features you want/need at this website: https://www.rtings.com/They do pretty deep testing and have good explanations of their findings and methods. Of note were the motion settings and Color Temperature settings. Motion Settings for Sony's: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuEZIJDEQyo According to these guys the Sony's are able to do inverse telecine on 60i signals then they do a 5:5 of the 24p for the 120Hz panel so you get smooth accurate motion. Not sure how they do on animation with odd cadences but the Looney Tunes stuff looks good to me. Comb filtering is about as good as it gets IMO. Colors are nice but don't "pop" as much as on my Faroudja.
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forper
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 28 May 2019, 22:02 |
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signofzeta wrote: You’ll have four modes, two of which are funhouse stretch crap and two you actually use, Normal and Zoom. I have three Bravia, one HDCRT, one HDLCD, and one 4KLCD, they are all like this.
It's the same on my 2003 HDCRT from them. Their generic, "close enough/best guess" wide settings are a massive compromise to me. I can't stand the idea of not utilising the maximum amount of screen or even worse, missing the edges of the picture. My DVDO is invaluable to me for this. I guess you mainly watch 4:3 stuff and I do too actually but I watch a fair bit of film as well at times.
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signofzeta
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Post subject: Re: Sony KD-55AF8 OLED and Laserdisc playback Posted: 12 Jun 2019, 02:54 |
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Yep, that’s exactly what came with my TV but mass produced by Sony. You for sure don’t need an engineer to make one because I can totally make one and I’m assured by my employer that I am not an engineer. I even get overtime so...for sure not an engineer. These kind of adaptors are not standard. I mean, they sort of are...but they sure sure don’t just sell them at stores. Most people probably just throw them in a drawer since they didn’t buy a huge TV to watch VHS on. Anyway, it’s probably the same as this thing: https://supershop.store/products/sony-o ... 2pEALw_wcB
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