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saeba
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Post subject: Re: Best video output for Pioneer 919 on a PVM 2530? Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 12:49 |
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If I'm not mistaken, the components output on the DVL series (919 and 909) are only for dvd output, not LD. From what I can see, your screen is a crt, so if the player is already plugged using composite, I don't think you can get a much better picture than what you have (maybe try using s-video to compare and use which you prefer). Although, while the DVL serie isn't renowned for their picture quality, maybe the laser itself isn't in a great shape and might need some cleaning and/or a proper calibration (for which I can't really help since I don't know much on that) or is just used from years of service.
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Post subject: Re: Best video output for Pioneer 919 on a PVM 2530? Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 15:02 |
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Post subject: Re: Best video output for Pioneer 919 on a PVM 2530? Posted: 13 Sep 2019, 20:46 |
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PVMs aren’t the best displays for LD. That’s just gamer group think bleeding into home theater. Many consumer sets will dump all over PVMs in LD playback at 1/10 the price.
The reason being:
PVMs are for directors and technicians to work with. They do very little to the signal so that they can see any abnormalities. They don’t have great comb filters or any home theater related features at all. This works for classic games because you get the purest version of the picture possible.
When viewing LD or NTSC at all really one generally wants the image enhanced by the display. I’m not talking about motion smoothing or anything, nothing so gross. You want the scanlines reduced to as thin as possible. You want state of the art 3D comb filters to avoid motion artifacts, you want anti-bloom circuitry to stabilize the image, you want help with color.
The PVM will look fine, no issue. I watched Clifford on mine a while back. It’s just that those 27” Trinitrons on Craigslist for $20 will make LD look even better, also bigger, and then you can save hours on your PVM.
EDIT: I forgot to say, s-video will probably give the best results.
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Post subject: Re: Best video output for Pioneer 919 on a PVM 2530? Posted: 21 Sep 2019, 17:09 |
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The PVM could still make a great display for watching video - they do, after all, have things like better regulated power supplies and a zillion fine adjustments etc - given some outboard processing in addition. If the comb filter and such are limited, there are standalone boxes like this old Faroudja https://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_4_2/faroudja100.html that can add better ones. I have a massive Ikegami TM20-80R PVM, and I would probably get one of these boxes if I try out LD on it. Disclord had good results with this VP-100 enhancer: Quote: I use it in place of the comb filters in my 900 and Philips CDV-488 - it's especially useful to correct the 900's chroma/luma delay - the Runco fixed that. The VP-100 has excellent chroma bandwidth and since it's a Super NTSC decoder, it decodes SuperNTSC encoded LaserDisc's perfectly. They almost look like DVD's. I still need to figure out if I have any SuperNTSC discs myself, as I own a ($15k list) Faroudja LD-100 line doubler which also, naturally, features SuperNTSC decoding.
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Post subject: Re: Best video output for Pioneer 919 on a PVM 2530? Posted: 22 Jul 2020, 22:37 |
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signofzeta wrote: PVMs aren’t the best displays for LD. That’s just gamer group think bleeding into home theater. Many consumer sets will dump all over PVMs in LD playback at 1/10 the price.
The reason being:
PVMs are for directors and technicians to work with. They do very little to the signal so that they can see any abnormalities. They don’t have great comb filters or any home theater related features at all. This works for classic games because you get the purest version of the picture possible.
When viewing LD or NTSC at all really one generally wants the image enhanced by the display. I’m not talking about motion smoothing or anything, nothing so gross. You want the scanlines reduced to as thin as possible. You want state of the art 3D comb filters to avoid motion artifacts, you want anti-bloom circuitry to stabilize the image, you want help with color.
The PVM will look fine, no issue. I watched Clifford on mine a while back. It’s just that those 27” Trinitrons on Craigslist for $20 will make LD look even better, also bigger, and then you can save hours on your PVM.
EDIT: I forgot to say, s-video will probably give the best results. That is true, i found also consumer grade Trinitrons and Loewes the best for LD; component PVMs not very good but composite PVMs still much better than flat tvs
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